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View Poll Results: After what "step" is a person rapture ready?
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At genuine repentance
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After water baptism
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After speaking with tongues (HG baptism)
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None matter unless it was in a oneness church!
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After speaking in tongues, but not yet water baptized
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12-13-2007, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Berkeley
Dispensations only exist in the mids of men.
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Ok, what's your definition of "Dispensation"?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Dispensation
Any part of this? Seems covenant and dispensation could be pretty close to the same............
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
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12-13-2007, 01:04 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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Quote:
Originally Posted by philjones
Dan,
How do you know the conversion was genuine? How does anyone?
MOW,
How do you measure or determine "genuine" repentance? What quantifies and qualifies one's repentance as 'genuine"? Don't tell me you start fruit inspecting or looking at the works or behaviors or attitudes demonstrated by the repentee. Surely you don't do that?
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This is quite simple to answer. The perspective you are looking at this is from a perspective of one person determining someone else's salvation. However, the matter of salvation is personal and the Bible informs one on how to be saved. The preacher teaches what repentance is...the hearer then, alone (with God), knows in their own heart if they have repented genuinely.
So, to answer your question, genuine repentance is determined by the person that is doing the repenting. They alone know their own motives whether genuine or not...they need salvation for themselves, not to show it to someone else. As for us, knowing whether we are dealing with a fellow believer, that is where the fruit will show in due time. Jesus taught us to judge a tree by the fruit it bears, that's how we know if we are dealing with a poser or not.
...but most everyone here is looking at this from a viewpoint that one person has to determine whether the other is saved. Time to change the glasses and look at it from a different vantage point.
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12-13-2007, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
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What ?????
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12-13-2007, 01:07 PM
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"It's Never Too Late"
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
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Dispensation is time: How about you stop looking at time and start thinking about Eternity!
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12-13-2007, 01:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
What ?????
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Read this slowly:
A dispensation can be defined as a length or amount of time God deals with mankind in a particular covenant relationship.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
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12-13-2007, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Neckstadt
Dispensation is time: How about you stop looking at time and start thinking about Eternity!
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Say what? How about you think about what the Lord does for use in this "time" we call life and how it effects eternity?
Is every covenant eternal?
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
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12-13-2007, 01:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDWW
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RevDWW
Read this slowly:
A dispensation can be defined as a length or amount of time God deals with mankind in a particular covenant relationship.
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Even if we accepted your definition ...
You stated that they are pretty much the same ... that's like saying a car and highway are putting much the same.
Logic escapes a few when trying to make points.
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12-13-2007, 01:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Even if we accepted your definition ...
You stated that they are pretty much the same ... that's like saying a car and highway are putting much the same.
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Pardon me of great wordsmith.  I retract that statement and would like to rephrase with:
One is the contract the other is the amount of time it is in force.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
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12-13-2007, 01:18 PM
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this is what i believe number 1, faith, 2, repentance, 3, baptism, 4, receive the holy ghost, 5, live a godly overcoming life, that is my humble opinion, always has been even when a upc pastor, and now not, dt 
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A product of a pentecostal raisin, I am a hard man, just ask my children 
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12-13-2007, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DividedThigh
this is what i believe number 1, faith, 2, repentance, 3, baptism, 4, receive the holy ghost, 5, live a godly overcoming life, that is my humble opinion, always has been even when a upc pastor, and now not, dt |
When are we regenerated .... DT?
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