Hillary Supporters Should Be Worried

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jfrog

#1. I would hardly say that the GOP is supporting Donald Trump.

#2. I remember the 2008 election pretty vividly. Barack Obama hadn't even served 1 term in the Senate. He had very little experience. It wasn't just the GOP that drove that point home. Hillary Clinton talked a lot about his inexperience too as well as she battled him in the Democratic primaries (aka the real presidential race of 2008).

Obama actually was a lot like Trump at that time. He was basically a blank political slate that people could project their hopes and desires for the country into. His message was hope and change. That's basically Donald Trump's message in "Make America Great Again".

#3 Trump has held 0 public offices. Just to catch you up with the times, right now people want outsider candidates and those are candidates who are seen as inexperienced in politics. At this point in time this is actually one of Donald Trump's biggest assets.

So Trump, being even more unqualified than Obama, is "jocking" off the Obama strategy in the hopes that he'll get elected too. I think we can agree here.

And as for the American people wanting outsider candidates who are seen as inexperienced in politics.... Imagine you're on an airliner. Imagine the pilot on this stretch of your flight doesn't fly as smoothly as the last guy. In fact, the plane has had a bit of turbulence. The pilots have been annoying with their flakey jokes on the intercom and the flights are sometimes not on time. So, do you look for a more experienced pilot or do you throw in some billionaire playboy who has, "...flown plenty of kites, lots of kites, I mean huge kites, SO many kites, you're gonna love it! I know more about flying than the pilots!" , to to be your pilot??? That's why I believe that Americans have become very stupid.

#4 Trump is about hope and change. He hasn't done anything for anyone yet because he is a political outsider and that's the "in" thing to be at the moment. However, it's the hope that he will change things that draw people to him. At the present time America is so desperate to start going in the "right" direction that all it takes is a message of hope. The reason hope alone will do is because there haven't been any proven experienced individuals that we can look to as agents of taking America in the "right" direction.

Hope and change. First, what kind of hope do we need, politically speaking?
What changes is he promising, politically speaking?
What is drawing people to him?

I think an experienced airline pilot who annoys me is better than someone who has absolutely zero experience at flying. Especially if I'm going to be on that plane. lol

What is the "right" direction?

#5 hypocrisy abounds on both sides of the political spectrum.

We fully agree on that.

I hope you can't just see Republican Hypocrisy. In complaining that Republicans are hypocrites for supporting a canadidate like Trump when the blasted Obama for similar things, you are missing the Democrats that supported Obama and now are blasting trump for similar things to Obama. It goes both ways. Both sides are tied when it comes to political hypocrisy.

Imagine that America as a Bowing 747 and we need a pilot. At least Obama had several years at flying Cessnas. Trump only knows how to "....fly kites, huge kites, colorful kites, kites with tails on them, your gonna love my kites, I'll be the best at flying if you vote for me! I know more about flying than the experienced pilots."

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jfrog

You will quickly lose the moral highground if you continue down the path of "justified racism"

Spoken from the dude who's ancestors weren't enslaved for over 400 years followed by social and/or economic oppression until the mid 1960's.

What I'm saying is, there is a difference between indignation resulting from race based oppression.... and the outright racial hatred held by one's previous oppressors.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Uh, WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?! Since when has the media been government run? It's always been run by the private sector!

Good call, I meant corporatization from the old media houses.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

What an amazing mix of logic and confusion.
You blame the Conservatives for today's news media being liberal?
Really?

Now, I do agree with your third paragraph.

On your last one, do you know what the definition is of insanity.
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Is the black community in better shape with all of the liberal "help"?
My observation is no.

Well, your observation is merely your observation. However, it is a proven fact that the black community has voted overwhelmingly Democratic (71%)since at least 1936.

And liberals are bleeding hearted weanies because they love to "help" people using other people's money!

So did the Law of Moses.

No, seriously. Republicans are the big spenders. Congressional Republicans have approved nearly $ 100billion dollars corporate subsidies (corporate welfare) to corporations reporting record profits annually. These corporations tend to invest the money in business they are doing overseas and they don't create a jobs here in the United States.

Social welfare doesn't even break half that much annually.

So, corporate welfare is costing us far, far more than social welfare does.

Republicans want to take other people's money.... and give it to billionaires who don't need it.

I'm a Christian. I don't mind my money to be used to lift up the poor of the land. Social welfare benefits the poor, the orphan, the widow, and the stranger. I'm far more outraged at the government for corporate welfare than social welfare.

Consider this image with numbers from the Cato Institute:

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Well, your observation is merely your observation. However, it is a proven fact that the black community has voted overwhelmingly Democratic (71%)since at least 1936.



So did the Law of Moses.

No, seriously. Republicans are the big spenders. Congressional Republicans have approved nearly $ 100billion dollars corporate subsidies (corporate welfare) to corporations reporting record profits annually. These corporations tend to invest the money in business they are doing overseas and they don't create a jobs here in the United States.

Social welfare doesn't even break half that much annually.

So, corporate welfare is costing us far, far more than social welfare does.

Republicans want to take other people's money.... and give it to billionaires who don't need it.

I'm a Christian. I don't mind my money to be used to lift up the poor of the land. Social welfare benefits the poor, the orphan, the widow, and the stranger. I'm far more outraged at the government for corporate welfare than social welfare.

Consider this image with numbers from the Cato Institute:

Yep, "this money should have been taken and given to the poor!!!"

Sounds about right.

[aegsm76]

And there you go again with your Republicans slam.
BOTH PARTIES have supported corporate welfare.
Obamacare put BILLIONS in the pockets of several corporations.
I worked for a company that made BILLIONS from Obamacare provisions.

[aegsm76]

And lastly, that's a nice meme, but can you give me a link to back up the numbers it cites?

[aegsm76]

Ah, found it.
link
http://thefederalist.com/2013/09/30/...orate-welfare/
and here is an interesting snippet that proves what I stated:
"I’m also happy to see that not everyone on the left has abandoned their distaste for corporate subsidies now that their subsidy-loving guy is in the White House."

As I said...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Spoken from the dude who's ancestors weren't enslaved for over 400 years followed by social and/or economic oppression until the mid 1960's.

What I'm saying is, there is a difference between indignation resulting from race based oppression.... and the outright racial hatred held by one's previous oppressors.

Indignation against a particular race is racism.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by Aquila

And as for the American people wanting outsider candidates who are seen as inexperienced in politics.... Imagine you're on an airliner. Imagine the pilot on this stretch of your flight doesn't fly as smoothly as the last guy. In fact, the plane has had a bit of turbulence. The pilots have been annoying with their flakey jokes on the intercom and the flights are sometimes not on time. So, do you look for a more experienced pilot or do you throw in some billionaire playboy who has, "...flown plenty of kites, lots of kites, I mean huge kites, SO many kites, you're gonna love it! I know more about flying than the pilots!" , to to be your pilot??? That's why I believe that Americans have become very stupid.

Instead, you'd rather hire a pilot that steals your money at every stop, while simultaneously taking bribes from other "airlines", who request more stops (where your money is again stolen).

Yeah, that's so much better.

Originally Posted by Aquila

No, seriously. Republicans are the big spenders. Congressional Republicans have approved nearly $ 100billion dollars corporate subsidies (corporate welfare) to corporations reporting record profits annually. These corporations tend to invest the money in business they are doing overseas and they don't create a jobs here in the United States.

I would first ask how much of that is actual money going out, and how much is tax breaks. Tax breaks are something I don't have a problem with. They're often referred to as subsidies, but they're actually not. As for actual subsidies, any real conservative is opposed to them. The problem is, we have people on both sides of the aisle, that are crony capitalists (which is not the same thing as capitalism) and not conservative at all.

Remind me again, who supported the GM bailout? Oh, that's right, Obama. I'd call that a pretty big subsidy.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Republicans want to take other people's money.... and give it to billionaires who don't need it.

There you go with your class warfare again. As I said, I don't support government subsidizing anything. It's the antithesis of the free market. Having said that, you have to stop with the wealth envy. Rich people create jobs. Rich people provide opportunities for people without. If it weren't for people with money to spend, many businesses would never be started, and a lot of people would not have a job.