Acts 2:38

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by sandie

Very interesting info. I always assumed the Yadons believed what the UPCI taught, since they were a part of the UPCI until the split in the early 90's.

Sandie, the Yadons did very much believe what the UPCI originally taught. There were two schools of thought under the merger, and the language of the manual was written to accommodate both. There was a group, however, that disagreed with the accommodation. In 1992, an Affirmation Statement was ratified at General Conference that all ministers would be required to sign yearly. This statement was written in a way that would force people who believed in salvation through grace to either change their beliefs, lie by signing a statement they disagreed with, or leave. The Yadons, being honest and true to their faith, were amongst those who left. Oddly, less than 10 years later, many of the strongest proponents of the Affirmation Statement would also leave.

You should read Thomas Fudge's Christianity without the Cross. It is very interesting, and Bro Yadon is mentioned several times.

edit: LOL, well, Sam beat me, but I'll leave my post anyway.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Try just using the last name "Yadon" and searching by post, not thread. There are over 10 pages that way.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...archid=2270353

Thank you!

[sandie]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Sandie, the Yadons did very much believe what the UPCI originally taught. There were two schools of thought under the merger, and the language of the manual was written to accommodate both. There was a group, however, that disagreed with the accommodation. In 1992, an Affirmation Statement was ratified at General Conference that all ministers would be required to sign yearly. This statement was written in a way that would force people who believed in salvation through grace to either change their beliefs, lie by signing a statement they disagreed with, or leave. The Yadons, being honest and true to their faith, were amongst those who left. Oddly, less than 10 years later, many of the strongest proponents of the Affirmation Statement would also leave.

You should read Thomas Fudge's Christianity without the Cross. It is very interesting, and Bro Yadon is mentioned several times.

edit: LOL, well, Sam beat me, but I'll leave my post anyway.

Thanks again for the info. I'd very much like to read that book. I'll look on Amazon unless you have a better resource.
I hadn't moved yet to be a part of the Yadon's church when the split happened, but my pastor at the time came to the pulpit stating that something's wrong when the "rules" book is bigger than the Bible. Yet, he never did leave the UPCI.
I think the UPCI lost so much thru this, what a pity.

[missourimary]

You can order the book through Amazon, in e-book form (including as a PDF for the computer)-which is much cheaper than the paper version, or through your local library's interlibrary loan program-which is usually free or the price of postage.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by sandie

Thank you for responding.
Can you explain a little further on what you mean by they were ridiculed?
Are you referring to the Yadons?

Have you not heard the stories of tomatoes being throwed, churches being burned down, lives being threatened when they preached the apostolic message?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by sandie

Thanks again for the info. I'd very much like to read that book. I'll look on Amazon unless you have a better resource.
I hadn't moved yet to be a part of the Yadon's church when the split happened, but my pastor at the time came to the pulpit stating that something's wrong when the "rules" book is bigger than the Bible. Yet, he never did leave the UPCI.
I think the UPCI lost so much thru this, what a pity.

Christianity Without The Cross is available in pdf format.
I received a copy from DA several years ago.
I will furnish a copy to anyone who gives me an email address where I can send it as an attachment.
PM me if you want a copy.

[sandie]

Sam,
Thank you for sharing your knowedge and beliefs. This many years later I'm finding out what happened with the split and how two of the pastors I had believe. Guess I was too busy in the past raising a family and trying to just live as a Christian the best I knew how.
When I was baptized it was in a very strict UPCI church. I never questioned anything at first as I was (still am) convinced that God directed me to that church. I had recieved the HG and had wanted to get baptized, but in the Foursquare church I was attending at the time they just sort of patted me on my head and said how nice...but, never did anything about it.
God knew my desire to be baptized and when I had moved He sent someone to my door, as a bus ministry to invite me to church. I attended that church, expressed my desire to be baptized and they didn't hesitate.
I can't shake the feeling, belief, whatever it should be called, that Jesus said those who believe AND are baptized shall be saved, that He meant it.
In the book of Acts in one place, "commanded" the new believers to be baptized.
I want to believe the "one" step process, but can't shake the "three step" outlined in God's Word.
It really bothers me to think that so many may be fooled into thinking they are saved, when they are walking the wide path, after all, Jesus the way was narrow and "few" would be that find it.
Even though I fear for those who have only repented, Jesus has given me peace about the whole thing. A few days ago He stopped me in my thinking and said: "Let Me worry about that" as I had just watched (yikes, yes I have a TV!) a man lead someone in the sinners prayer and left it at that.
I do enjoy your posts, and was wondering what Scriptures you use to define your beliefs in the "one" step, if you'd like to share that is.
This also explains Mike Hayes beliefs, if you know who that is.
As you can see I tend to ramble...sorry.
God bless.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Have you not heard the stories of tomatoes being throwed, churches being burned down, lives being threatened when they preached the apostolic message?

No, I never heard any of that. Who was doing that? Are you saying the Apostolic Message is what I hear now is the "three step"?

[missourimary]

Apostolics, at least in some areas, were made fun of, called Holy Rollers, had tomatoes and rotten eggs thrown at them in tent meetings, and so forth in the early 1900s by people who weren't Pentecostal.

Remember the verse to "I Know God is God"?
"They call us holy rollers, they're always making fun. They ought to get the Holy Ghost and speak in other tongues!"
The verse reflected what was happening.

Some of it was persecution. Some of it was entertainment to the ones doing those things since there wasn't much option for entertainment during Prohibition and the Depression, and some may have been curiosity about what was really happening (by joking, they could discuss what was happening without being identified as "one of them").

[sandie]

Originally Posted by missourimary

Apostolics, at least in some areas, were made fun of, called Holy Rollers, had tomatoes and rotten eggs thrown at them in tent meetings, and so forth in the early 1900s by people who weren't Pentecostal.

Remember the verse to "I Know God is God"?
"They call us holy rollers, they're always making fun. They ought to get the Holy Ghost and speak in other tongues!"
The verse reflected what was happening.

Some of it was persecution. Some of it was entertainment to the ones doing those things since there wasn't much option for entertainment during Prohibition and the Depression, and some may have been curiosity about what was really happening (by joking, they could discuss what was happening without being identified as "one of them").

Oh, I see....this happend sometime ago.
I remember when I first came to Jesus (I'm from a Jewish background) and one of my sisters said I was now a "holy roller" that I was so embrassed by that, and couldn't believe that was what I was getting into...it didn't stop me, however!