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Old 04-14-2007, 07:58 AM
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It it really revival when the ones hosting it do not have the truth about salvation?

Can one really have a TRUE Revival without preaching the oneness of God and the Acts 2:38 plan of salvation?
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Nope on both questions.
Respectfully, I have been in countless revivals over the course of my lifetime when the subject of the Godhead wasn't raised one time. Are you saying it wasn't revival?!

I can also recall revival services when the altar call was given and Acts 2:38 was not mentioned...people were still Spirit filled and baptized, but without the salvation plan being preached. Are you saying it wasn't revival?!
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Old 04-14-2007, 08:00 AM
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There have been major revivals all over the world that haven't been Acts 2:38 centered as we think of it.

  • 1734 New England
  • 1735 Wales
  • 1739 England
  • 1800-1839 Ranters Revival
  • 1858 Awakening in America
  • 1859 Ulster
  • 1859 Britain
  • 1904 Wales
  • 1949 The Hebrides Revival
  • The Latin American Explosion
  • The Long Arm of Armenian Destiny
  • Africa - God's Wind of Change
  • The Korean Pentecost
  • The China Miracle
  • Indonesia -Revolution and Revival

What about the Azusa Street revival?
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Humility was a hall-mark of the Revival at Azusa Street and will be thusly with any revival we experience also.
Agree with all of the above...
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Old 04-14-2007, 08:01 AM
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Respectfully, I have been in countless revivals over the course of my lifetime when the subject of the Godhead wasn't raised one time. Are you saying it wasn't revival?!

I can also recall revival services when the altar call was given and Acts 2:38 was not mentioned...people were still Spirit filled and baptized, but without the salvation plan being preached. Are you saying it wasn't revival?!
Good question...I couldn't have said it better. Revival depends on our definition of it. God's spirit can do more in a moment than our preaching ACTS 2:38 can do in a lifetime.

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Old 04-14-2007, 08:22 AM
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Me thinks this thread is another thinly vieled attempt to marginalize the mighty moves of God churches outside the upci are experiencing. Another desparate attempt to justify living in the realm of "tradition".

Did you not learn from Cornelius what God has called clean, you don't touch? Have you not learned that the Holy Ghost will be poured out upon "ALL FLESH"?

I've been in a Church of God service where 6 people got the Holy Ghost. I've been in UPC churches where if you add up all the people who got the Holy Ghost in the past 20 years, you would have less than six.

Preaching Acts 2:38 does not guarantee "revival" no more than Hillary Clinton's town meetings guarantee the presidency.
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Me thinks this thread is another thinly vieled attempt to marginalize the mighty moves of God churches outside the upci are experiencing. Another desparate attempt to justify living in the realm of "tradition".

Did you not learn from Cornelius what God has called clean, you don't touch? Have you not learned that the Holy Ghost will be poured out upon "ALL FLESH"?

I've been in a Church of God service where 6 people got the Holy Ghost. I've been in UPC churches where if you add up all the people who got the Holy Ghost in the past 20 years, you would have less than six.

Preaching Acts 2:38 does not guarantee "revival" no more than Hillary Clinton's town meetings guarantee the presidency.
Your argument is bogus it didn't take Cornelius 40 years to get baptized or like these so-called moves where they neve get baptized or embrace truth.
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Your argument is bogus it didn't take Cornelius 40 years to get baptized or like these so-called moves where they neve get baptized or embrace truth.
This needs to be said again.
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Old 04-14-2007, 01:49 PM
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Your argument is bogus it didn't take Cornelius 40 years to get baptized or like these so-called moves where they never get baptized or embrace truth.
We really can't say they never came to the knowledge of baptism because we have no way of knowing how many may have come to be baptized because of an initial move of God on their life outside of our four walls.

I was sharing with someone just this morning that a woman I used to go to church with told me that she came to the Apostolic Church because she was first drawn to a move of God by listening and viewing...are you ready?! Kenneth Copeland!!

Yes sir, Eleanor's heart was pricked for more, and she found it, but the hunger began with a man's doctrine most here do not hold.

I am convinced a move of God can happen anywhere men and women are hungry.

Revival is not about a time or place or special speaker...revival can begin and end with one individual. It is really a heart thing, IMO...

This post really needs to be on the other thread and I am going to post it there as well...
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We really can't say they never came to the knowledge of baptism because we have no way of knowing how many may have come to be baptized because of an initial move of God on their life outside of our four walls.

I was sharing with someone just this morning that a woman I used to go to church with told me that she came to the Apostolic Church because she was first drawn to a move of God by listening and viewing...are you ready?! Kenneth Copeland!!

Yes sir, Eleanor's heart was pricked for more, and she found it, but the hunger began with a man's doctrine most here do not hold.

I am convinced a move of God can happen anywhere men and women are hungry.

Revival is not about a time or place or special speaker...revival can begin and end with one individual. It is really a heart thing, IMO...

This post really needs to be on the other thread and I am going to post it there as well...
Our walk toward God may start anywhere I have never doubted that. But sincerity will be tested when presented with truth.
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Old 04-14-2007, 02:20 PM
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Our walk toward God may start anywhere I have never doubted that. But sincerity will be tested when presented with truth.
So then one cannot accurately say that they are so-called moves if a person's walk with God begins there...amen?!
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Acts 2:38 is not what saves anyone! It is faith in Jesus Christ that saves us. Anything we do as a result of being saved by grace through faith is the fruit of regeneration. Faith in Acts 2:38 has replaced faith in Jesus Christ in many apostolic circles. Starting with Peter on the Day of Pentecost, it was the preaching of Christ (death, burial, resurrection) that brought about conversion. Baptism in water and receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost happened subsequent to their conversion as they walked with God by faith.
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