Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by n david

Do you believe body slamming a 76 year old man and tasing him twice during a bogus and unlawful traffic stop is okay?

Read the article, even the police chief said the officer was wrong doing what he did.

To answer your post, no, I don't believe what he did was the correct thing to do. However, my post was speaking of something different.

Hope you had a wonderful Christmas with your babies!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sasha

To answer your post, no, I don't believe what he did was the correct thing to do. However, my post was speaking of something different.

Hope you had a wonderful Christmas with your babies!

The DA is waiting on the Texas Ranger's report to see if there is any cause to send a draft indictment to a Grand Jury.

There is a lot that goes on off camera and I would want to wait for the Texas Ranger's report.

The Department had 10 taser incidents in 2014 and all fell within policy. I just want to know the police officer's side.

Vasquez didn't cooperate from the beginning, so I want to know more about that. I saw an interview where Vasquez says he grabbed the taser when he was on the ground. So, really, he resisted the Officer all the way through this incident. I would have cooperated the whole way, even if I thought the Officer was wrong, knowing I would have my day in court. Resisting weakens my case, JMO.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The DA is waiting on the Texas Ranger's report to see if there is any cause to send a draft indictment to a Grand Jury.

There is a lot that goes on off camera and I would want to wait for the Texas Ranger's report.

The Department had 10 taser incidents in 2014 and all fell within policy. I just want to know the police officer's side.

Vasquez didn't cooperate from the beginning, so I want to know more about that. I saw an interview where Vasquez says he grabbed the taser when he was on the ground. So, really, he resisted the Officer all the way through this incident. I would have cooperated the whole way, even if I thought the Officer was wrong, knowing I would have my day in court. Resisting weakens my case, JMO.

Thats not what I see. I see an old man who pulls into a place he was going to. He may not have even seen the cop behind him

He gets out and is heading inside, where he had planned on going before the cop turned his lights on

the Cop waves him over saying he has no tags. The old man goes to the back and points out he has dealer tags and then the cop tries to detain him.

the Cop had no right to detain the man especially after being shown the dealer tags. You just don't detain someone for not having tags at all. That is one of the dumbest moves ever, to detain someone over not having tags. The car was not stolen. The man was not running away.

The man pulls into the service station he works at. He is going about his business. When the cop says something to him about the tags, the man does not run away. He walks to the back of the car and points to the dealer tags

[Praxeas]

I watched it again...there is no obvious reason to try to detain the old man. He just grabs him for no apparent reason.

[Praxeas]

Vasquez got out of the car, which is owned by the car lot, attempting to get the manager. He pointed out to the officer the dealer tags on the back of the car, which would make it exempt from having an inspection.
Police dashboard camera video shows Robinson arresting Vasquez for the expired sticker.

Why would you arrest someone for expired tags??? Ive been pulled over for expired tags and never arrested

The internal investigation also will examine the details of the arrest. Driving with an expired inspection sticker is a Class C misdemeanor, typically addressed with a citation. Because Vasquez was driving a car with dealer tags, the car was exempt, Craig confirmed. Vasquez was released from the hospital without being cited.

[Praxeas]

A national expert on police training says a 76-year-old man whose tasing attracted national attention should not have been detained in the first place.
Dashboard-camera video footage of the controversial traffic stop was sent to Jerry Staton, a tactical training expert and 25-year Austin Police Department veteran for analysis.
"To me, the biggest element that was lacking was (the officer's) understanding of whether or not he had a legitimate probable cause for arrest and a lack of investigation to lead up to that point," Staton said.
Staton viewed the same video footage posted online at VictoriaAdvocate.com. He emphasized in his analysis that the video doesn't give a complete picture because it lacks audio and the ability to see what happened when Victoria Police Officer Nathanial Robinson and Pete Vasquez hit the ground.
Once the police discovered Vasquez's car was legitimate and didn't require an inspection sticker, "then that (negated) the arrest," Staton said, "unless Mr. Vasquez had actually attacked the officer prior to him going hands on, but that didn't happen - we can see that on the video."

https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/new...g-video-it-do/

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

A national expert on police training says a 76-year-old man whose tasing attracted national attention should not have been detained in the first place.
Dashboard-camera video footage of the controversial traffic stop was sent to Jerry Staton, a tactical training expert and 25-year Austin Police Department veteran for analysis.
"To me, the biggest element that was lacking was (the officer's) understanding of whether or not he had a legitimate probable cause for arrest and a lack of investigation to lead up to that point," Staton said.
Staton viewed the same video footage posted online at VictoriaAdvocate.com. He emphasized in his analysis that the video doesn't give a complete picture because it lacks audio and the ability to see what happened when Victoria Police Officer Nathanial Robinson and Pete Vasquez hit the ground.
Once the police discovered Vasquez's car was legitimate and didn't require an inspection sticker, "then that (negated) the arrest," Staton said, "unless Mr. Vasquez had actually attacked the officer prior to him going hands on, but that didn't happen - we can see that on the video."

https://www.victoriaadvocate.com/new...g-video-it-do/

Prax, The Police Officer in question has a good record. You're national expert is saying, "the video doesn't give a complete picture". He could have been a good cop gone bad, but before I pronounce that as truth, I want to know the Officer's side of the story. I want to know what the Texas Ranger has to say.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Prax, The Police Officer in question has a good record. You're national expert is saying, "the video doesn't give a complete picture". He could have been a good cop gone bad, but before I pronounce that as truth, I want to know the Officer's side of the story. I want to know what the Texas Ranger has to say.

To see what you've said makes me believe that there are no such thing as bad cops. Is that what you are saying? Cops NEVER make mistakes? There is no such thing as a bad cop? Seriously??????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Prax, The Police Officer in question has a good record. You're national expert is saying, "the video doesn't give a complete picture". He could have been a good cop gone bad, but before I pronounce that as truth, I want to know the Officer's side of the story. I want to know what the Texas Ranger has to say.

Having a good record does not mean squat.

The issue is not whether he has a good record or not. It's THIS particular incident

The expert says that...yes but read what he says about the actual VIDEO.

A national expert on police training says a 76-year-old man whose tasing attracted national attention should not have been detained in the first place.

"To me, the biggest element that was lacking was (the officer's) understanding of whether or not he had a legitimate probable cause for arrest and a lack of investigation to lead up to that point," Staton said.

Once the police discovered Vasquez's car was legitimate and didn't require an inspection sticker, "then that (negated) the arrest," Staton said, "unless Mr. Vasquez had actually attacked the officer prior to him going hands on, but that didn't happen - we can see that on the video."

His prior record does NOT negate what happened here. Bringing up his Prior record is irrelevant

[n david]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

To see what you've said makes me believe that there are no such thing as bad cops. Is that what you are saying? Cops NEVER make mistakes? There is no such thing as a bad cop? Seriously??????

I would wager a cop could be filmed beating an unarmed, disabled person to death and PO would still claim the officer was in the clear and blame the unarmed, disabled, dead person for something.