David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decision

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Scotty, please.
Stop using weak arguments to defend non-biblical tradition.

Beards existed before and after the rise of the hippie culture. Apostolics [not all,but some] are the only ones I hear who insist on associating beards with hippie culture.

And where do you get this idea that women in pants was some form of rebelllion? Women wear T-shirts too, just like men. Was that born out of rebellion? According you your way of thinking, should we then tell our sisters to stop wearing T-shirts because they're a man's garment?

Why are there who think that we should define our "holiness" by clinging tenaciously to dress standards from 40-60 years ago?

continuing in that line of thinking "pink" is also associated with the female gender and cute wittle baby girls.....should we also consider making that a sinful practice for men?

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by scotty

Why not? There are enough orgs. out there that one of them should be fitting. why do you want to come change mine? I like mine the way it is. You don't see me going to AoG and trying to change them to my conservative views. BTW we just had a "mass exodus" so they say , and we are fine. The org is still here and I doubt you could find many who seriously believe it is about to go under or go away.

If you have already left then why are you looking back?

are there other orgs out there that hold fast to oneness doctrine but not to "standards"

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Kutless

are there other orgs out there that hold fast to oneness doctrine but not to "standards"

do you want the short list or the complete list? there are plenty

[scotty]

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Originally Posted by scotty

Why not? There are enough orgs. out there that one of them should be fitting. why do you want to come change mine? I like mine the way it is. You don't see me going to AoG and trying to change them to my conservative views. BTW we just had a "mass exodus" so they say , and we are fine. The org is still here and I doubt you could find many who seriously believe it is about to go under or go away.

If you have already left then why are you looking back?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by erikwebster

do you want the short list or the complete list? there are plenty

thank you

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Kutless

are there other orgs out there that hold fast to oneness doctrine but not to "standards"

Yes sir.
There's a big [Apostolic] world out there, apart from the UPCI.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by scotty

Why not? There are enough orgs. out there that one of them should be fitting. why do you want to come change mine? I like mine the way it is. You don't see me going to AoG and trying to change them to my conservative views. BTW we just had a "mass exodus" so they say , and we are fine. The org is still here and I doubt you could find many who seriously believe it is about to go under or go away.

If you have already left then why are you looking back?

Scotty, are you a licensed minister with the UPC?

Have you ever been?

If not I think your contribution to this discussion is useless because you have no idea the pressures involved with signing a statement you may disagree with only slightly. You treat that very flippantly.

No one wants to be a liar.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Scotty, are you a licensed minister with the UPC?

Have you ever been?

If not I think your contribution to this discussion is useless because you have no idea the pressures involved with signing a statement you may disagree with only slightly. You treat that very flippantly.

No one wants to be a liar.

Nice try , but no cigar. Pressure is on you if that is your problem. If you disagree then move on till you find an org. you agree with. It's not flippant, its life. The only lie is someone apparently told you it was a bed of roses and would always go YOUR way. A whole group of ministers not only just up and walked away from the org but also created their own. I didn't see them under duress.

[Jehoram]

Originally Posted by scotty

Nice try , but no cigar. Pressure is on you if that is your problem. If you disagree then move on till you find an org. you agree with. It's not flippant, its life. The only lie is someone apparently told you it was a bed of roses and would always go YOUR way. A whole group of ministers not only just up and walked away from the org but also created their own. I didn't see them under duress.

Scotty, are you a licensed minister with the UPC?

Are you a minister at all?

And who said anything about duress?

Your comments seem very simple-minded.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by scotty

Why not? There are enough orgs. out there that one of them should be fitting. why do you want to come change mine?I like mine the way it is. You don't see me going to AoG and trying to change them to my conservative views.

That's part of the problem Scotty. You like yours just the way it is. Its called being in the comfort zone.

I've been UPC for 16+ years. I like the strong stand on biblically- based doctrine. I don't like the non-biblical, man-made traditions that serve as distractions and hindrances to the real work of the Kingdom.

Take the the facial hair nonsense for example.

Telling new converts they have to shave their beards or mustaches is utter foolishness. And how about when saints transfer to a new UPC church district, and they're told they cant be used in ministry unless they shave? (even if this person has been a preacher/Sunday school teacher/musician for the Lord etc, in the past, it doesnt matter to them. They're more concerned with the mustache on his face, than his life, his heart, and what he can contribute to the Kingdom of God).

For some people in the Pentecostal "comfort zone", they like it like that, because "thats how we've always did it, and we ain't changin' for nobody ".

Somehow, I don't think God is as pleased with these things, as some of the conservatives among us seem to be.