Donald Trump Calls for Obama Birth Certificate

[canam]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Crack pipe canam.

Do you have any real proof? Anything besides an April Fools joke or a joke the President told at a dinner devoted to comedy?

Anything honest to offer to support your suppositions? Anything?

Nothing.

Pel answer the question from BT do it.

[canam]

There is no long form, period ,or he would, his was bought just like his SS number'S

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Voter fraud is a real problem and a danger to our democracy. How dare you make light of this terrible crime by comparing it your hallucinations over BO's birth certificate.

The onus is on you guys. BO has provided a valid legal document to support his citizenship. Prove it to be false.

Oh! And don't post any more April Fools jokes that you were too dense to understand or a brief clip of a joke the President famously told to a group of correspondents at an annual dinner devoted to joking and making fun of whoever the current President is.

Lies in the name of the truth? Not gonna let it go unchallenged. You guys are either pulling our legs, or you're actually Liberals trying to make Conservatives look bad... or you're just too dumb to be allowed anywhere near a keyboard.

You prove his document is valid and legal! I have not said anything that he has or has not presented is legal! You're the "big know it all in this matter" it seems. And as far as being allowed near a keyboard, .... well I'll just leave that alone and not stoop to your level to answer it.

Again my point is simply this, "Tell me why he shouldn't have to present the long form that is created at the time of birth?" WHY NOT? WHY NOT?

And until you give me a sensible, legitimate answer to that one single question I'm through stooping to the level of the "Head-In-The Sand" crowd!

BT

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

pelathais, yes me too when it comes to some simple questions that the "head in the sand crowd" won't answer. Forget what canam, coadie or anyone else has said or played.... just simply answer this question, "Why was it okay to question McCain about where he was born and not okay to question Obama?" If you questioned Obama you were a birther. What were those individuals who questioned McCain called?

Who said it was "okay" or even "Not okay?" This is a "question" and a "dilemma" that you've conjured up. McCain was born in Panama - BUT! - in the Canal Zone which was under U.S. administration. And, he was born to two U.S. citizens, one of whom was an admiral in the United States Navy. Even if McCain was born in Kenya, he'd still be a "natural born U.S. citizen" based upon these facts.

Was it "okay" to question him on it? People ask all sorts of dopey questions but our Constitution is not based upon those dopey questions. Our Constitution simply allows them. Obama's been asked these questions over and over and he has released his birth certificate.

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Again forget everything else. Simply answer this. Why doesn't Obama simply show his long form and be done with it? If he was born in Hawaai and has a long form lay it on the table and shut up all of the so called birthers. If a conserative refused to show papers that would substantiate his legality in running for president all hell would break loose in the main stream media.

Is it wrong to ask for some to be consistent?

Birthers are stupid! Right? Well those who have stuck their head in the sand, refusing to ask for a simple matter to be cleared up, (with the long form that proves or disproves the point), are stupid too!

BT

There has always been a double standard for Conservatives versus the softball questions that the "dominant media" pitches to their Liberal allies. Just look at Vice President Dan Quayle versus Vice President Joe Biden. Quayle was an educated man who got tripped up a couple of times and was really hammered for it. Biden is just a goof ball who gets a free pass. It ain't fair.

However, these Birther debates don't make anything more fair. They're just silly and lame.

Did McCain produce his "long form?" Did GWB, Clinton, Gore, John effin' Kerry, George Herbert Walker Bush or Dukakis? Did Abraham Lincoln, for that matter? No.

Who knows if Obama even still has the original - AND! - in most cases the county health departments don't keep photocopies of those records either. The info is stored electronically and retrieved and printed out en masse when a request is received for a "Record of Live Birth."

On the matter of Obama wanting to keep some matters close to himself and not spread all over the news - My own father-in-law is of "mixed race." His birth certificate says "mulatto." He kept that hidden away for much of his youth until (as the family story goes) an uncle persuaded him to be proud of who he was. There are some things on the long forms from the Jim Crow era - even in Northern and Western states (my FIL was born in upstate Illinois) - that many people would rather not have to wave around.

Whatever the reasons, the document provided by Obama's campaign is the legal standard for every other American.

[MissBrattified]

Wow. Lots of people lose their hospital-issued birth certificates. That's not a big deal. They're meaningless when it comes to getting documents, anyway. That's why you have to fill out a form and order the "official" document. Maybe it wasn't that way years ago, but that's how it works now.

IMO a state-sealed birth certificate and a newspaper birth announcement is pretty good evidence that he was born in Hawaii. It's not like his mother could have emailed in the birth announcement from another country. That was back in the day when you had to either make a phone call or go down to the newspaper office in person to get something put in. When my oldest daughter was born, I had to fill out a form that the hospital gave me the same day she was born, and then they turned it in to the newspaper office.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Wow. Lots of people lose their hospital-issued birth certificates. That's not a big deal. They're meaningless when it comes to getting documents, anyway. That's why you have to fill out a form and order the "official" document. Maybe it wasn't that way years ago, but that's how it works now.

IMO a state-sealed birth certificate and a newspaper birth announcement is pretty good evidence that he was born in Hawaii. It's not like his mother could have emailed in the birth announcement from another country. That was back in the day when you had to either make a phone call or go down to the newspaper office in person to get something put in. When my oldest daughter was born, I had to fill out a form that the hospital gave me the same day she was born, and then they turned it in to the newspaper office.

MissBrattfield.... Why doesn't someone answer my question? "Why doesn't Obama lay the original on the table, or say I lost it, or I don't know where it is, or something?" WHY? Doesn't he owe the electorate that much?

I'm not worried about a lot of the other questions.... just answer this one!

BT

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by canam

Pel answer the question from BT do it.

Acknowledge the fact that you fell for coadie's gaff when he posted Obama's joke at the White House Correspondents Dinner and the both of you were simply too stupid to understand what you were seeing.

Do it.

lame-wad.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

MissBrattfield.... Why doesn't someone answer my question? "Why doesn't Obama lay the original on the table, or say I lost it, or I don't know where it is, or something?" WHY? Doesn't he owe the electorate that much?

I'm not worried about a lot of the other questions.... just answer this one!

BT

I have no idea why he doesn't, BT, and I don't care. If the state of Hawaii issued him an official birth certificate, that's good enough for me, and the newspaper announcement seals the deal. In fact, I find the latter to be better evidence than the state sealed certificate. Unless better evidence to the contrary comes to light, I think this is a crazy issue in which to invest a lot of time and energy.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Who said it was "okay" or even "Not okay?" This is a "question" and a "dilemma" that you've conjured up. McCain was born in Panama - BUT! - in the Canal Zone which was under U.S. administration. And, he was born to two U.S. citizens, one of whom was an admiral in the United States Navy. Even if McCain was born in Kenya, he'd still be a "natural born U.S. citizen" based upon these facts.

Was it "okay" to question him on it? People ask all sorts of dopey questions but our Constitution is not based upon those dopey questions. Our Constitution simply allows them. Obama's been asked these questions over and over and he has released his birth certificate.



There has always been a double standard for Conservatives versus the softball questions that the "dominant media" pitches to their Liberal allies. Just look at Vice President Dan Quayle versus Vice President Joe Biden. Quayle was an educated man who got tripped up a couple of times and was really hammered for it. Biden is just a goof ball who gets a free pass. It ain't fair.

However, these Birther debates don't make anything more fair. They're just silly and lame.

Did McCain produce his "long form?" Did GWB, Clinton, Gore, John effin' Kerry, George Herbert Walker Bush or Dukakis? Did Abraham Lincoln, for that matter? No.

Who knows if Obama even still has the original - AND! - in most cases the county health departments don't keep photocopies of those records either. The info is stored electronically and retrieved and printed out en masse when a request is received for a "Record of Live Birth."

On the matter of Obama wanting to keep some matters close to himself and not spread all over the news - My own father-in-law is of "mixed race." His birth certificate says "mulatto." He kept that hidden away for much of his youth until (as the family story goes) an uncle persuaded him to be proud of who he was. There are some things on the long forms from the Jim Crow era - even in Northern and Western states (my FIL was born in upstate Illinois) - that many people would rather not have to wave around.

Whatever the reasons, the document provided by Obama's campaign is the legal standard for every other American.

So, let me see if I understand. There might be something on his birth certificate that he doesn't want anyone to see? So, just look over that even tho he doesn't have the guts to say that. Take up for the man! But I still think he owes America an answer. Just a simple answer to why!

Is that asking too much?

BT

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