Question?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

This is the kind of post I'm talking about. Everything is fine with my Family if I follow this man's idea about God. If not, I'm in trouble. Please, take this false fear tactic elsewhere.

I consider this a form of "Spiritual Bullying", and this is the common ploy in ALL Religions to create guilt within the weak minded and those who are afraid to question the lies of unseen evidence.

False fear?

You have every reason to fear if you willingly reject the only Savior.

[Jason B]

You know I was thinking about this a little more.

Considering God's love, His loving kindness and mercy, His goodness towards us-even as unbelievers, doubters, skeptics---or even blasphemers and haters of God, what man in their right mind would reject God except that he love the darkness?

God's goodness alone should lead you, NFS, to Him. Some of his people are obnoxious (perhaps you think I am), some of His people are ignorant (perhaps you think I am), all of His people are imperfect and have flaws (I certainly head the class), and then there are a multitude who speak in His name but by their inconsistent and sinful lifestyle cause God's name and character to be blasphemed cf. Romans 2).

Yet even if I (or other believers) be obnoxious, ignorant, and imperfect (and have many times been such) how does that justify your rejection of the only true and living God who loved you so much as to take to Himself a full human nature, as to take the penalty for your sins, and thus show His love for you while also satisfying His justice as well as demonstrating that sin will have dire consequences for those who choose to "go it alone"?

The very goodness of God, the fact He provides you with food, the blessings of family, laughter, eye sight, taste, children and grand children, and literally every single good thing in your life should be enough to cause you to thank Him for all those blessings, to bow down and worship Him, and to submit to His will as you seek to glorify Him.

Whether you submit to Him now or later, eventually every knee will bow.

[votivesoul]

The prophet Isaiah spoke the following predictive Scripture:

Isaiah 42:3,

3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

This prophecy was fulfilled in the person of the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth:

Matthew 12:20,

20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.

I share the above to say the following:

It is obvious, even if not admitted, that many posting in this very thread, but also generally so at AFF, have been badly hurt. Someone or something, somewhere, somewhen, came along and bruised you. I don't know how it happened, and it's not my business to know.

What is my business to know is the Scriptures given above.

You, whoever you are, that has been so bruised, I want you to know:

Jesus is gentle and loving enough, with healing in His hands, to touch that bruise you've suffered, and, unlike other people, not break you, but rather, restore and help you overcome your pain.

There is truth in the following statement: The ones who lash out the most are often the ones who were damaged the worst.

You need not turn to me, or anyone on this board, or to a church, a denomination, an organization, or any other such man-made things. But please, for the health and recovery of your own soul, at the very least, TURN TO JESUS!

The era in which He came was a time of violence, a time of poverty, a time of ignorance and indifference, a time of spiritual abuse, a time when the value of a human life was anything but sacred. He came at the right, appointed time and was anointed by the Holy Spirit of His God and Father to do the following:

Luke 4:18-19,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

To you who have been hurt, abused, shamed, and bruised, if not physically, but at least then spiritually and emotionally, you need to know, believe, and understand:

The Gospel, that is, the Benevolent Message of God's salvation in Christ, was specifically designed and purposed since before the world began for YOU. God sent His Son into the world and anointed Him with the Spirit for YOU.

Jesus didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. The healthy don't need a physician.

But if you would be healed, you must do one all important thing:

Mark 11:24-26,

24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

You must forgive the one(s) who have hurt you. Just as Jesus forgave the ones who were crucifying Him, so, too must you. However and in whatever manner it is that you pray and seek God (and I hope you still do and are seeking Him), you need to petition Him for the strength, the courage, and the power to lay aside your anger, your hurt, your desire for revenge, and let it go.

It's the only way for you to have and experience the peace that surpasses all understanding. You are not fighting against me, or us, or anyone else, even if it seems like someone here or in your life is always giving you a fight. Your battle is nor carnal, and flesh and blood are not the enemy. Your battle is spiritual, and it is in the mind. Will you deny yourself and follow Jesus, being obedient, even unto death, the death of the cross?

One thing often forgotten about Christ's death: When He breathed His last, all the pain He was feeling, and the terrible burden of the betrayal and abandonment He was experiencing, all disappeared in death. At the moment of His death, He was released from the torment of the cross. There was nothing left for Him to do but resurrect, healed and full of the glory of God, with all power and authority in heaven and earth.

If you, too, will let the Lord Jesus lead you to that place, the place of the skull, and will lay down your life for Him, you will indeed die, but in death (death to self, to anger, to bitter anger and unforgiveness) you will be healed, ready to resurrect with the glory and power of God.

Reject me and everyone else in the world at your leisure. We are but sheep, worms and not men. So what.

But do not reject Jesus! Yes, there is a place for fear and for wrath. Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. He will repay. He will repay those who have treated you poorly, and have abused you.

But you must forgive. At this point, the hurt you feel now is only poisoning you.

[shazeep]

nice, VS

Originally Posted by NotforSale

This is the kind of post I'm talking about. Everything is fine with my Family if I follow this man's idea about God. If not, I'm in trouble. Please, take this false fear tactic elsewhere.

I consider this a form of "Spiritual Bullying", and this is the common ploy in ALL Religions to create guilt within the weak minded and those who are afraid to question the lies of unseen evidence.

yup. toss the bathwater, i say, and just keep the baby. let the dead bury the dead. If you are in an affiliated church, an examination of your most basic premises is in order, imo. Christ rose, and lives; find and follow that.
http://www.wikihow.com/index.php?tit...oldid=13622804

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Yet even if I (or other believers) be obnoxious, ignorant, and imperfect (and have many times been such) how does that justify your rejection of the only true and living God who loved you so much as to take to Himself a full human nature, as to take the penalty for your sins, and thus show His love for you while also satisfying His justice as well as demonstrating that sin will have dire consequences for those who choose to "go it alone"?

The very goodness of God, the fact He provides you with food, the blessings of family, laughter, eye sight, taste, children and grand children, and literally every single good thing in your life should be enough to cause you to thank Him for all those blessings, to bow down and worship Him, and to submit to His will as you seek to glorify Him.

Whether you submit to Him now or later, eventually every knee will bow.

Disagreeing with certain doctrines does not equal a rejection of God.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by ILG

Disagreeing with certain doctrines does not equal a rejection of God.

[shazeep]

amen to that.

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

False fear?

You have every reason to fear if you willingly reject the only Savior.

yup--and if you accept the public declaration and baptism, then wait to die and go to heaven model that many churches still adhere to, you might examine your notions of acceptance and rejection v God's.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by ILG

Disagreeing with certain doctrines does not equal a rejection of God.

Agreed. I don't think I've ever in my 4,000 AFF posts suggested that.

[shazeep]

As strange as this might sound, one must allow that there are men of God doing just what He wants of them, who would not accept your method of salvation, or even be comfortable talking about Christ. Many associate the Name with corrupted churches, or televangelists, and may entirely reject that while still being a (possibly more) obedient son.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

You know I was thinking about this a little more.

Considering God's love, His loving kindness and mercy, His goodness towards us-even as unbelievers, doubters, skeptics---or even blasphemers and haters of God, what man in their right mind would reject God except that he love the darkness?

God's goodness alone should lead you, NFS, to Him. Some of his people are obnoxious (perhaps you think I am), some of His people are ignorant (perhaps you think I am), all of His people are imperfect and have flaws (I certainly head the class), and then there are a multitude who speak in His name but by their inconsistent and sinful lifestyle cause God's name and character to be blasphemed cf. Romans 2).

Yet even if I (or other believers) be obnoxious, ignorant, and imperfect (and have many times been such) how does that justify your rejection of the only true and living God who loved you so much as to take to Himself a full human nature, as to take the penalty for your sins, and thus show His love for you while also satisfying His justice as well as demonstrating that sin will have dire consequences for those who choose to "go it alone"?

The very goodness of God, the fact He provides you with food, the blessings of family, laughter, eye sight, taste, children and grand children, and literally every single good thing in your life should be enough to cause you to thank Him for all those blessings, to bow down and worship Him, and to submit to His will as you seek to glorify Him.

Whether you submit to Him now or later, eventually every knee will bow.

The bold paragraph completely contradicts itself. You give mercy to your own, but not others. Fault, or Flaw, is something that all Human Beings deal with, and that includes Fault in understanding, relationship, and faith.

IMO, this is the number 1 problem with Religion. As long as you follow our basic rules, you're in the Group, regardless of your imperfections. This is nothing but an endless Witch Hunt.