Democrats Don't Practice What They Preach

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by CC1

I noticed how not one single person has actually commented on or addressed the premise of my thread here.

My point was specifically that Democrats claim to be great champions of the poor and downtrodden yet their Vice Presidential nominee has only contributed $3600 to charity over the last decade despite being a millionaire.

The only liberal politicians that seem willing to give out of their own pocket in addition to picking mine are those that are mega rich who make so much money they don't miss a few million going to charity.

How about Mr. Obama who is going to give us free everything from health care to college educations yet doesn't help his half brother in Kenya who lives on a few dollars a month in abject poverty or his aunt living illegally in the United States in a housing development for the poor?

As a Republican I am quite clear that you need to earn your own way with helping hand from time to time so I don't make any pretense of wanting to redistribute wealth like Democrats do.

I hope you notice that I have not disagreed with this premise whatsoever... I am simply pointing out that the democrats do not, by any stretch of the imagination, have the corner on the market.

Republicans talk up things like...

Smaller government... Oh please.

Balanced Budgets.... How laughable.

ALL of the big boys are against abortion... but nothing ever changes.... nothing ever will... and yes, I know, it is the democrats fault. It always is.

Vouchers for school choice... How many Republican candidates have touted that one.

Never an election goes by without these particular verses of the Swan Song being sang... and yet never does another election come around when every single one of these things are still hot topics because nothing was done... nothing...ever.

They are all liars.

Period.

With very, very few exceptions.

But let us be sure and scream from the mountains how our liar is a better choice than their liar.

[DividedThigh]

still cant vote or stomach someone who supports abortion in any way, dt

[tstew]

Originally Posted by CC1

In politics there is never going to be viable party that is EXACTLY what I want or you want. You have to pick the one that most closely holds and promotes your values and it is clearly Republicans that take the better stand on traditional marriage, against abortion, against redistribution of wealth, etc.
If you don't like some of the Supreme Courts decisions with Bush appointees can you imagine what all of their decisions would have been like with John Kerry and Al Gore appointees???? You would not have the great Supreme Court justice we have now!

My point has always been that this partisan attitude has destroyed the democratic nature of our country. Yes, we have now gotten to a place where people are voting for people who are not viable and who are not anywhere near what we actually want. In this climate politicians don't have to actually do much to enjoy your partisan support. It is ridiculous to me to not demand something concrete and measurable for you loyal support. Other largely partisan groups don't do it. Most of them are smart enough to make the issues that are of vital importance to them vitally important to the platform and in the way we are governed.

In those traditional areas that you just named, look at the record. All the major candidates are saying the same thing about marriage vs. civil unions. None are coming out and aggressively promising to do something about the millions of murders. The only concrete statement I have heard from McCain so far is that the abortion issue is not worthy of being a determining factor in the appointment of Justices. And just recently quite a bit of our tax dollars were redistributed to some pretty wealthy people, and the reports of what I have seen some of this money used on and for is pretty frustrating.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

still cant vote or stomach someone who supports abortion in any way, dt

20 of the last 28 years have been presided over by a pro-life republican president.


20 years of allowing abortions to continue.

What has been attempted by those presidents?

They ALL support abortion if they do nothing about it.

Talk is cheap. Action requires something of a person...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by CC1

Your take is the typical copout that tries to say there is no difference between the two major parties when in fact there are huge differences.

Not really, atleast now with McCain, Obama and abortion.

McCain particularly was vulnerable in this area as many "Conservatives" questioned his stance on abortion at first. Why? Because of his own words and voting history.

MOST folks I've spoken with on this board about abortion are against abortion and against using the "life of the mother" as an argument because it just doesn't happen (often enough).


Neither is there much of a difference between the 2 of them concerning the millions of illegal immigrants already here-- under both men, they would all stay in the end.

There may be a difference in party platforms, but in these two campaigns, there is not much difference.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Neither side practices what they preach and the ability for democrats to only see these failures in republicans and vice versa keeps each side talking as if their own side didn't do the same thing.

Do any of us really practice what we preach?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

Do any of us really practice what we preach?

I guess it depends on the sermon.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

20 of the last 28 years have been presided over by a pro-life republican president.


20 years of allowing abortions to continue.

What has been attempted by those presidents?

They ALL support abortion if they do nothing about it.

Talk is cheap. Action requires something of a person...

One thing has happened.
Congress passed a ban on partial birth abortion.
President Bill Clinton vetoed it.
I'm not sure if this happened once or twice
Later, Congress passed a ban on partial birth abortion.
President George Bush approved it.
Lawsuit(s) were filed and the ban could not go into effect until it went through the legal challenges all the way to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial birth abortion.
Barack Obama has promised to overturn that ban.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Sam

One thing has happened.
Congress passed a ban on partial birth abortion.
President Bill Clinton vetoed it.
I'm not sure if this happened once or twice
Later, Congress passed a ban on partial birth abortion.
President George Bush approved it.
Lawsuit(s) were filed and the ban could not go into effect until it went through the legal challenges all the way to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court upheld the ban on partial birth abortion.
Barack Obama has promised to overturn that ban.

There you go...

In 28 years of time the process of actually killing a partially born child has been stopped. That is said to account for less than 2% of all abortions.

Every one saved counts.... This is true.

Only 98.?% more to go.

Of course no actual unborn child is necessarily saved by the ban on partial birth abortions. Every child is still eligible to be aborted up to the time he/she becomes partially birthed.

I would expect more success on an issue that is the hot button every single election if they were truly planning on making changes.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

20 of the last 28 years have been presided over by a pro-life republican president.


20 years of allowing abortions to continue.

What has been attempted by those presidents?

They ALL support abortion if they do nothing about it.

Talk is cheap. Action requires something of a person...

It is a shame that you ignore the efforts of Republicans to ban partial birth abortions and limit the availability of other abortions.

Also does it not mean anything to you that Presidents Reagan and GWB both refused to allow our tax dollars to pay for abortions? That was the first Presidential executive action that GWB took when he got in office. It upset many Democrats at the time that worship at the altar of abortion.

You have a very short memory or are very uninformed.