Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Did you know a nose bleed is a hemorrhage? And yet you want to act like a hemorrhage would have killed the guy with no other details?

Are you claiming a person cannot die from hemorrhaging? Is that what you're claiming?

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Did you know a nose bleed is a hemorrhage? And yet you want to act like a hemorrhage would have killed the guy with no other details?

"A petechial hemorrhage is a form of mild hemorrhage which causes distinctive markings known as petechiae. These markings take the form of small red to purple spots which can vary in size and distribution from a few tiny markings to an array which may look like a rash or abrasion. Petechiae can be caused by a variety of situations and conditions, and they can play a role in both forensic science and medical diagnosis."

I guess a petechial hemorrhage is going to kill the guy too.....

Now who's lying and perverting posts. Never said it was just the hemorrhaging. And you should read more on hemorrhaging and petechial hemorrhaging, instead of cherry picking info.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

Are you claiming a person cannot die from hemorrhaging? Is that what you're claiming?

Originally Posted by n david

Bump from near the beginning...

I don't place as much weight on the preexisting conditions as you guys, because with the hemorrhaging he would've died anyway from the stress placed on his heart.

The cop's actions - chokehold, neck compression, chest compression is what caused the cardiac arrest, not his asthma.

As far as you petechial hemorrhage:

"A petechial hemorrhage is a form of mild hemorrhage which causes distinctive markings known as petechiae. These markings take the form of small red to purple spots which can vary in size and distribution from a few tiny markings to an array which may look like a rash or abrasion. Petechiae can be caused by a variety of situations and conditions, and they can play a role in both forensic science and medical diagnosis."

Sounds soooo very life threatening......

Before you claim that the hemmorhages the guy had were life threatening perhaps you should double check what all constitutes a hommorhage that isn't life threatening.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

Now who's lying and perverting posts. Never said it was just the hemorrhaging. And you should read more on hemorrhaging and petechial hemorrhaging, instead of cherry picking info.

Is my info wrong?

and you said: " because with the hemorrhaging he would've died anyway from the stress placed on his heart."

Hmmmmmm, i wonder how you can be sooooo sure of that or are you making things up?

[n david]

Petechial hemorrhaging is caused by physical trauma. I never, not once did I claim Garner died from hemorrhaging. The point of mentioning the hemorrhaging is because it proves physical trauma and compression.

I've said from the beginning the primary cause of death was compression of the neck and chest.

Show me where I said otherwise.

[n david]

Originally Posted by n david

Are you claiming a person cannot die from hemorrhaging? Is that what you're claiming?

Answer the question, please.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

Petechial hemorrhaging is caused by physical trauma. I never, not once did I claim Garner died from hemorrhaging. The point of mentioning the hemorrhaging is because it proves physical trauma and compression.

I've said from the beginning the primary cause of death was compression of the neck and chest.

Show me where I said otherwise.

okay. well saying there was physical trauma is not something i think is in dispute. So maybe that's why I was confused with how you were bringing it up.

Yes there was physical trauma. Yes, the neck and chest got compressed. We aren't denying that. You have even seen me say that such compressions could lead to a heart attack (with preexisting conditions) and explain why.

Now I suppose the question is: is it a crime for the cops to compress a guys neck and chest when arresting him especially when he is resisting arrest (even if doing so passively and non-violently).

In general, i think the answer is its not a crime. Because when the cop goes to place the suspect in a submission hold so that the suspect can be placed under arrest, chest and or neck compression will likely result.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

Answer the question, please.

Not from the hemorrghing that Eric Garner suffered. But from a severe hemorragh yes

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

As far as you petechial hemorrhage:

"A petechial hemorrhage is a form of mild hemorrhage which causes distinctive markings known as petechiae. These markings take the form of small red to purple spots which can vary in size and distribution from a few tiny markings to an array which may look like a rash or abrasion. Petechiae can be caused by a variety of situations and conditions, and they can play a role in both forensic science and medical diagnosis."

Sounds soooo very life threatening......

Before you claim that the hemmorhages the guy had were life threatening perhaps you should double check what all constitutes a hommorhage that isn't life threatening.

What's a hommorhage?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Never said he'd die of petechial hemorrhaging. I stated it pointed to physical trauma. Nor would the hemorrhaging of the tongue cause him to die. It points to physical trauma.

Now neither you nor I can say one way or the other about the 10 hemorrhages in his neck. You scoff and seem to imply that hemorrhaging isn't a big deal, that it's not life-threatening. However, they can be, depending on the severity.

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Not from the hemmorghing that Eric Garner suffered.

Do you have proof of how much it was, or are you just making it up?