For those that left the UPC... - Page 22

POWERUP · #**211** 05-26-2010, 11:51 AM

Mirth,

Ask him if he has ever really sincerly prayed about the questios you have.

Let me say this.............It took awhile for me to come around. Why?? Glad you
asked.

I didn't like the idea of my peers and family thinking that I wasn't saved!! Say
what they may. But it's true.

I have said it before, and will say it again. I don't care who you are, you don't
want anyone to think bad of you!!

I know I was saved!!! But it was just the thought of walking away. My daughter had
been playing sports for years in shorts, swimmming in shorts, etc..

My wife never wore pants in public, but because she is a flight nurse she always wore
her flight suit at work. Nothing was ever said to me or my wife.

But we got tired of playing hypocrite to our daughter. You can play sports in shorts,
but put a skirt on when you are finished!!

The last straw was when My wife and daughter went to the local mall to do a little
shopping.

The UPC ladies conference was going on at the time.( Mississippi Ladies Conference)

All those ladies were at the mall. Yep. You guessed it. They seen my daughter in pants
and the POO POO hit the fan!!

Out of about 40 ladies, only 1 spoke to my wife. She looked embarrased when she did.

My wife came home and said.........Thats It!!!

Now tell me. How could you not speak to the two sweet ladies in the photo below.

Mirth1981 · #**212** 05-26-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by POWERUP

Mirth,

The last straw was when My wife and daughter went to the local mall to do a little
shopping.

The UPC ladies conference was going on at the time.( Mississippi Ladies Conference)

All those ladies were at the mall. Yep. You guessed it. They seen my daughter in pants
and the POO POO hit the fan!!

Out of about 40 ladies, only 1 spoke to my wife. She looked embarrased when she did.

My wife came home and said.........Thats It!!!

Now tell me. How could you not speak to the two sweet ladies in the photo below.

Aaww...that is sad.

Your wife and daughter are very beautiful btw.

mfblume · #**213** 05-26-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirth1981

I totally agree with what you said. And yes, I think my husband does have a fear of seeing something besides what he's been taught and possibly falling into error.

He has also been talking to his preacher friends about how I've been feeling and what I've had to say...and what they've told him has only made him more intent on keeping the old paths, no matter what his rebel of a wife wants to do.

Everyone should rather fear of facing God and explaining to him why we never sought Him in sincere prayer to ensure we are on the right path. Jesus said, in Matthew 7, strait is the gate and narrow is the path that leads to life, and few will be who find it. That means we PERSONALLY have to ensure we are on the right path. I'm not going to be lost due to someone else making my mind up for me. God gave us each a mind and chance to pray and seek Him to lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil.

What would a catholic priest say to his followers who ask questions against their beliefs? What would a Jehovah's Witness "presiding elder" say to his flock? What would a Mormon preacher say to his flock? The point is, and I am not saying your pastor is comparable to any cult leader, anyone will defend their beliefs to those who ask, no matter what group they are in. And GOD IS WITH US when we sincerely go to Him and ask for direction and clarification or correction. We make gods out of men when we go to them and not God over such things. Why are people trained to trust man more than God?

Falla39 · #**214** 05-26-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume;916760[B

]Everyone should rather fear of facing God and explaining to him why we never sought Him in sincere prayer to ensure we are on the right path. Jesus said, in Matthew 7, strait is the gate and narrow is the path that leads to life, and few will be who find it. That means we PERSONALLY have to ensure we are on the right path. I'm not going to be lost due to someone else making my mind up for me. God gave us each a mind and chance to pray and seek Him to lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil.[/B]

What would a catholic priest say to his followers who ask questions against their beliefs? What would a Jehovah's Witness "presiding elder" say to his flock? What would a Mormon preacher say to his flock? The point is, and I am not saying your pastor is comparable to any cult leader, anyone will defend their beliefs to those who ask, no matter what group they are in. And GOD IS WITH US when we sincerely go to Him and ask for direction and clarification or correction. We make gods out of men when we go to them and not God over such things. Why are people trained to trust man more than God?

First paragraph is very good!

Not saying this to be critical or offensive, but he goes to his fellow ministers,
but who does his wife go to. She goes to a forum and asks those who left the
UPC. (Using the same example about going to the catholic priest, of course he
is going to speak from that perspective.) From what perspective will she get
from those who left the UPC. Exactly! I am only saying this to make a point.
Both husband and wife should be going TOGETHER to THE WONDERFUL COUNSELLOR,
who brought them together in the first place. The enemy has driven a wedge be-
tween this dear couple to attempt to divide and conqueror. Are we ignorant of his
devices.

Eph. 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I could not trust my marriage OR my eternal soul into the hands of mankind!
Those things are too precious! Where are we gonna go when our husband or
wife is gone! Except the Lord build the house/marriage, they labor in vain that
build it. Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain!

I pray these words are received in the same spirit they were given.

Hugs,

Falla39

Mirth1981 · #**215** 05-26-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

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First paragraph is very good!

Not saying this to be critical or offensive, but he goes to his fellow ministers,
but who does his wife go to. She goes to a forum and asks those who left the
UPC. (Using the same example about going to the catholic priest, of course he
is going to speak from that perspective.) From what perspective will she get
form those who left the UPC. Exactly! I am only saying this to make a point.

I could not trust my marriage OR my eternal soul into the hands of mankind!
Those things are too precious! Where are we gonna go when our husband or
wife is gone! Except the Lord build the house/marriage, they labor in vain that
build it. Except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain!

I pray these words are received in the same spirit they were given.

Hugs,

Falla39

I hope that you don't think that I have reached the conclusions I have because of this forum...or that I have come here to find direction for my life from "mankind". That is not the case. I take all advice given with a grain of salt, and will continue to seek direction from the Lord, as well as "searching the Scriptures daily."

Justin · #**216** 05-26-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mirth1981

My husband is very unhappy with me because of how I feel...we are divided right now in our beliefs although he admits that he can't explain why he feels the way he does Biblically speaking.

This has been very hard...I don't see it getting any easier.

I'm scheduled to attend a women's holiness conference with the ladies of my church in the near future...that should be interesting.

I'm in the same boat, except the roles are reversed. I've talked to my Pastor plenty of times and continue to do so. He is a wise man and a great pastor. He was floored at first because it's always the women that have a hard time "getting it", not the men.

On The Wheel · #**217** 05-26-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

Here's my advice. Be patient with your husband!

If he sees that your attitude is right and that you still have a great relationship with God, he'll change a little at a time. It will just take time.

I changed my views before my wife did. I told her how I felt about standards, but told her that I wouldn't require her to change a thing. She was free to dress and look how she chose as far as I was concerned. It took a year or so before she changed anything. She feared God's wrath for changing anything how she was raised. (That's what she heard in numerous sermons!)

Before my wife changed, I went and offered to step down from playing the organ for our church because of my beliefs. I was told to continue because both my wife and I still looked just fine! How I believed didn't matter, it was how I looked! How I believed on standards didn't effect me at all, but it sure effected my wife when she finally made changes.

Save your marriage! That is more important than cutting your hair or wearing pants.

I wholeheartedly agree. Your marriage is vastly more important than the desire to exercise your Christian liberty. All things are lawful but not all things are expedient or edifying (1 Corinthians 10) Paul also talks about his liberty being judged by another and the desire to never cause offense.

Perhaps you could ask your husband to be careful when speaking of this with others. The stigma formed within the UPCI concerning these issues is not easily removed. If he values his ministry and marriage he should bind together with you in prayer and study concerning these things.

My prayers are with you.

Pressing-On · #**218** 05-26-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

Every time, GOD worked
out the situations in a miracleous way. We are still intact.

Hugs,

Falla39

This has always been the case for us when we didn't know what to do or we had been hurt. I have never NOT had God come through in a miraculous way of answering and leading!!!

I don't mean to bring things up, but one time we were pressed so low! I was in the nursery with my son and I heard the leadership announce they were resigning. I said, very quietly, but out loud (no one in the room), "It's finally over." God knows how much we can bear!!!

Mirth1981 · #**219** 05-26-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by On The Wheel

Perhaps you could ask your husband to be careful when speaking of this with others. The stigma formed within the UPCI concerning these issues is not easily removed.

That is a very good point. I wonder why that is.