Paul's gospel must be accepted

[Luke]

To say that a person believes because they are saved is unbiblical and has NO scriptural backing! WE MUST BELIEVE ON THE NAME OF JESUS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED!!!

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

[Luke]

We should search the scriptures but we should take care not to make the scriptures mean what makes us happy.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Luke

To say that a person believes because they are saved is unbiblical and has NO scriptural backing! WE MUST BELIEVE ON THE NAME OF JESUS IN ORDER TO BE SAVED!!!

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

When we believe what Jesus has already accomplished, we then enter into salvation that He paid for, our belief is not what saves us. Of course, if someone doesn't believe they do not live in the privilege of their salvation. According it verse 31, your family is also saved by your belief.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Luke

We should search the scriptures but we should take care not to make the scriptures mean what makes us happy.

I thought is was "Good News", doesn't that make us happy?? Does me.

[Luke]

My point was that we should not twist the scripture to make it mean what we want it to mean.. Also when the father got saved the rest of the family would have naturally followed. We are secret grace THROUGH FAITH Ephesians 2:8 . I agree our believe does not save us but our lack of belief will most certainly send us to hell. It is a sad thought that not every one goes to heaven and that some will in up in hell for all eternity but this is what the Bible teaches. There is NOT ONE SINGLE verse that teaches that after someone is in the lake of fire they ever get out. If there are any please show them to me and I will change my mind but unfortunately they don't exist.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Luke

My point was that we should not twist the scripture to make it mean what we want it to mean.. Also when the father got saved the rest of the family would have naturally followed. We are secret grace THROUGH FAITH Ephesians 2:8 . I agree our believe does not save us but our lack of belief will most certainly send us to hell. It is a sad thought that not every one goes to heaven and that some will in up in hell for all eternity but this is what the Bible teaches. There is NOT ONE SINGLE verse that teaches that after someone is in the lake of fire they ever get out. If there are any please show them to me and I will change my mind but unfortunately they don't exist.

This study cannot be done with sound bites, very effectively. However, most references to "hell" in scripture is speaking of the grave.

A good start would be to do an in depth study of the history of the use of the word, in the earlier scriptures, especially the Septuagint.

As for the "lake of fire" there is no reference to this except in the Revelation.

It is amazing how most Christians, especially, theologians interpret Revelation. We read about the woman riding on the beast, the red dragon with seven heads, the harlot sitting on the many waters, and the people standing on the sea of glass mixed with fire, and they all say, "Oh, obviously these things are symbolic."

But as soon as they get to the "lake of fire". "Oh, no, that is totally literal!"

John clearly state in the beginning of the book, that ALL of Revelation is a vision. Fire in scripture is almost always figurative or symbolic with the purpose of purifying, refining, and for accomplishing general good. The Greek word for fire is the word from which we get all forms of our English word, pure and purifying. Mark 9:49 tells us that everyone must be put thru fire: "For everyone will be salted with fire".

So, yes there has been alot of distortion and twisting of scripture.

[Luke]

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. It also says that every sacrifice shall be salted with salt, so are you saying that since it says "every sacrifice shall be salted with fire" that this means all must pass through the lake of fire, then you must also believe that since it says "every sacrifice shall be salted with salt" therefore, we must all pass through a lake of salt also.

I didn't bring up the lake of fire and make it a key point of my doctrine, you did. Therefore your argument that it is only mentioned in Revelation doesn't hurt my argument, but yours.
though I do believe in a literal lake of fire.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Luke

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. It also says that every sacrifice shall be salted with salt, so are you saying that since it says "every sacrifice shall be salted with fire" that this means all must pass through the lake of fire, then you must also believe that since it says "every sacrifice shall be salted with salt" therefore, we must all pass through a lake of salt also.

I didn't bring up the lake of fire and make it a key point of my doctrine, you did. Therefore your argument that it is only mentioned in Revelation doesn't hurt my argument, but yours.
though I do believe in a literal lake of fire.

We either submit to God now, or we will go thru the lake of fire, our natural desires will come to understand and embrace the righteousness of God. Eternal life is "...to know the Son of God, and the Father who sent him..." You have NO scripture basis for a literal lake of fire.

[Luke]

You are the one that keeps saying people must go through the lake of fire not me. I do have scripture for a place of everlasting torment. You on the other hand have no scripture that teaches a second chance after a person has died.

[bbyrd009]