A Return

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Every true Pastor is to teach the whole counsel of God.

Paul said "I have not shunned to teach you the whole counsel of God".

The thing about this, MTD, is it seems to compare every extant pastor with Paul, who surely had a special anointing; and deny what seems to be "reality," a fungible word for a Christian, I know, but hopefully you get me. Who do you know that sees God so clearly, in every area? Plus, I'm not sure that that is what Paul meant, so much as illuminating that one who follows Christ will have to die to themselves.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

The thing about this, MTD, is it seems to compare every extant pastor with Paul, who surely had a special anointing; and deny what seems to be "reality," a fungible word for a Christian, I know, but hopefully you get me. Who do you know that sees God so clearly, in every area? Plus, I'm not sure that that is what Paul meant, so much as illuminating that one who follows Christ will have to die to themselves.

apparently mtd and a select few are the only ones with special revelation and are the only ones who see everything clearly even though the bible says we now see through a glass darkly but then face to face.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Dante

This is another qualm I have. Why does the church have to be so pastor-centered? Why isn't the church community-centered? If you look at the modern sanctuary and how it is designed, it is very "leader" focused instead of people focused. There is a stage area (often known as the platform or pulpit area), and there is an audience. The focus is on one man...the pastor! He/She is the main event of the service. I thought ministry leadership was a team effort, and not an autocracy?

I could be wrong....

But then again, I could be right!

People love the concept of the community centered church... especially those who like to criticize pastors for not preaching the way they want them to.

With all due respect, you're the one who brought up "the pastor" I didn't.

I simply defended a man you criticized because you didn't like his preaching.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

People love the concept of the community centered church... especially those who like to criticize pastors for not preaching the way they want them to.

With all due respect, you're the one who brought up "the pastor" I didn't.

I simply defended a man you criticized because you didn't like his preaching.

Thus you are defending pastoral-autocracy, or the belief that a local church is governed solely by a single executive.

The fact is, the modern church is America is greatly flawed. Then again, so am I. So are you! We are all flawed. But I know the flawless One, and I am determined to stick with Him, and Him alone.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Dante

Thus you are defending pastoral-autocracy, or the belief that a local church is governed solely by a single executive.

The fact is, the modern church is America is greatly flawed. Then again, so am I. So are you! We are all flawed. But I know the flawless One, and I am determined to stick with Him, and Him alone.

No, I'm defending the fact that you're not always right like you think you are.

God forbid the preacher is just doing what God wants him to. But we know that's not the case... because you said so.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

No, I'm defending the fact that you're not always right like you think you are.

God forbid the preacher is just doing what God wants him to. But we know that's not the case... because you said so.

And I defend that you're not always right like you think you are either. The blade cuts both ways, pal.

And yes, I have a divine revelation that most pastors do not have. That burden goes along with being a man of great spiritual insight.

[Titus2woman]

Was on FB this morning and lonely for the church family I left behind...

But I believe you saved me a trip... so thanks for that anyway Dante. I'm not sure what the greater good of your post might be, but it helped me.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Dante

And I defend that you're not always right like you think you are either. The blade cuts both ways, pal.

And yes, I have a divine revelation that most pastors do not have. That burden goes along with being a man of great spiritual insight.

Exactly, and as long as you have that "divine revelation" you'll never be happy at any church...

...because any pastor, preacher, elder, or teacher, simply won't be enough in your view. That's a sad life to live... always being more spiritually enlightened then everyone else.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Exactly, and as long as you have that "divine revelation" you'll never be happy at any church...

...because any pastor, preacher, elder, or teacher, simply won't be enough in your view. That's a sad life to live... always being more spiritually enlightened then everyone else.

It's not sad for me, and I don't think it's sad for anyone else. You're the one who sounds sad and pining for sympathy. Not me, and neither is anyone else who is blessed with the burden of greater spiritual insight.

Look, all I know is God is great, and I love the Lord Jesus Christ. I am confident in my walk with Jesus Christ, and that's all that matters. I know where I stand.

[Dante]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Was on FB this morning and lonely for the church family I left behind...

But I believe you saved me a trip... so thanks for that anyway Dante. I'm not sure what the greater good of your post might be, but it helped me.

Great! I'm glad I could help in some way.