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[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What if someone believes in the Lord but doesn't repent or get baptized?

Yawn. Here we go again. Repenting is "Turning" and to believe in the Lord is "Turning", thus, "Repenting." I've never had a person who had believed who refused to get baptized. When it happens, I'll get back to you on that.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Michlow

Call me simplistic, but isn't believing in Jesus akin to repenting? I mean what exactly are you believing? That he was God, that he died for your sins. Which means you have to accept that you are sinful, and that He therefore needed to die for you.

Simplistic, yes.....and that's the beauty of it!! It's completely simple!!

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yawn. Here we go again. Repenting is "Turning" and to believe in the Lord is "Turning", thus, "Repenting." I've never had a person who had believed who refused to get baptized. When it happens, I'll get back to you on that.

Many people believe in the Lord but live unrepented or have not been baptized. Go to a bar on a saturday night to take a survey and good portion would say they believe in the lord.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Many people believe in the Lord but live unrepented or have not been baptized. Go to a bar on a saturday night to take a survey and good portion would say they believe in the lord.

And I'm sure there are many there who have spoken in tongues and been baptized.

This is SUCH a tired argument. Really.

Many people get baptized and speak in tongues that do the same thing. Big whoop. There are people all over the place who are living far short of their redemptive potential. Do you REALLY think that invalidates how they were saved?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What if someone believes in the Lord but doesn't repent or get baptized?

The Book of James addresses people like that.

When a person is presented the Gospel, they will be instructed to repent and be baptized as valid responses to the blood bought salvation presented.

When a person speaks in tongues under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, it is one of the signs, or confirmations if you will, of personal salvation.


However, the Bible does not connect tongues DOCTRINALLY with SALVATION in the way that commands folks to speak in tongues before being considered saved, part of the church, part of the Body of Christ.

Speaking in tongues is a promise, not a command.



When you go to the store to buy a pair of shoes, you don't go looking for the tongue of the shoe to determine its style, quality, and fit for your purpose.

Neither does the Bible present the Gospel in a way that encourages seekers to look for "tongues." As a result of a personal relationship with Our Father, through His Son, Jesus Christ, the "saved-by-GRACE-through-FAITH-believer" has the opportunity to experience the indwelling of the Holy Spirit by speaking in tongues, prophesying, and more.

Salvation does not begin with speaking in tongues and it definitely does not end with that experience.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

I am solid in the PAJC view, but then everybody knows that so I don't need a sig line.

Every thing on the top three web sites in my sig attest to that.

I am glad we are brothers in Christ.

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am glad we are brothers in Christ.

Me too. Back in the day the PCI and the PAJC found a way to love one another, fellowship one another and work together even though they had differences. I don't think that was a bad thing.

I do think the bad thing was when people with the PAJC mindset took over and pushed the ppoeple with the PCI mindset out of the UPCI.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

Me too. Back in the day the PCI and the PAJC found a way to love one another, fellowship one another and work together even though they had differences. I don't think that was a bad thing.

I do think the bad thing was when people with the PAJC mindset took over and pushed the ppoeple with the PCI mindset out of the UPCI.

I do see how easily it would be to NOT have a close fellowship between the two. The difference discussed here with the role of tongues may seem not like a big deal, but in reality it is.

There are the paths of thought that these two different stances can take you.

One can lead you down the slopes of "geasy grace", leading to worldly congregations who live lives that are void of Christian commitment and spiritual depth.

One can lead you into a performance based salvation, a performance based relationship that embraces legalism and allows for all sorts of pride, arrogance and abuse.

Both paths can lead their adherents to hell with the adherents thinking that they're ok.


Really, this is so serious of a topic and that is why I believe it to be a big deal to publicly state this and be at peace about it.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

What if someone believes in the Lord but doesn't repent or get baptized?

If someone believes they will repent and get baptized.

I have heard of these so-called masses who reject baptism and/or repentance, but they must be few and far between - I have not met them.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Many people believe in the Lord but live unrepented or have not been baptized. Go to a bar on a saturday night to take a survey and good portion would say they believe in the lord.

Do you have a link to this church or people?

Why a bar? You can go to your local church and readily know that many confess but some have a faith that is less than genuine.