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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by Light
In the late sixties the wife and I were invited to one of these parties in the western district, we refused.
Because of this refusal my wife and I along with my brother and his wife were called into the pastors office before church. We ( my brother and I ) were told never to come back again but our wives were welcome.
The pastor was a very well known man in the whole UPC.
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08-06-2008, 04:07 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by Light
In the late sixties the wife and I were invited to one of these parties in the western district, we refused.
Because of this refusal my wife and I along with my brother and his wife were called into the pastors office before church. We ( my brother and I ) were told never to come back again but our wives were welcome.
The pastor was a very well known man in the whole UPC.
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How do you know it was "one of these parties"?
I am sorry but this all sounds like a bunch of hooey from the rumor mill designed to destroy ministers who people dont like.
I absolutely do not believe there are UPC preachers out there promoting "swinging" wife swapping parties.
They would be run out of the UPC in a flash.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-06-2008, 04:07 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
After the practice of spouse swapping, THIS seems pretty tame. LOL
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Yes, but I wonder if that is what opened the door to the swapping. Did it begin with "too much" information?
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Originally Posted by Light
In the late sixties the wife and I were invited to one of these parties in the western district, we refused.
Because of this refusal my wife and I along with my brother and his wife were called into the pastors office before church. We ( my brother and I ) were told never to come back again but our wives were welcome.
The pastor was a very well known man in the whole UPC.
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Wow, I am finding out this is going on more than in this one place. 
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08-06-2008, 09:11 PM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by Light
In the late sixties the wife and I were invited to one of these parties in the western district, we refused.
Because of this refusal my wife and I along with my brother and his wife were called into the pastors office before church. We ( my brother and I ) were told never to come back again but our wives were welcome.
The pastor was a very well known man in the whole UPC.
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Again, WHY FALSELY ACCUSE THE UPCI?
What's his name?
Where did he pastor?
Who else did you tell about this?
I think you're full of baloney!!!!
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08-07-2008, 01:32 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
I didn't read all the thread but we had a "Oneness church" up near Seattle Wa that had these practices.
After it disbanded, quite a few of the members went to Joe Parkers church in Federal Way, Wa. He was at one time UPC. He still holds to the doctrine but has no standards to speak of. As for his personality/ministry he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet.
The church in question (not Joe Parkers) was called Community Chapel and was in South Seattle, WA,
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08-07-2008, 01:36 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
Here is the church history I was referring to in my previous post.
When you have no Bible and all Spirit this is what happens.
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08-07-2008, 01:53 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by Esther
No this is from someone who knows!
Not only that it seems this age group openly discusses in mixed company bedroom information that needs to be kept private.
I wonder if it is because this generation has an "open" or not sure what word to use here, freedom to discuss this subject compared to older generations? Is it because of TV, Schools, or just a different generation?
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And yet the Pastor of the church is clueless? Something is not right. Either the Pastor knows or this story is not what it seems
Many of those older generations grew up in the 60s where swinging flourished
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08-07-2008, 01:52 AM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by triumphant1
I personally wouldn't believe it...
It is amazing how rumers fly and how false they can be.
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Exactly. And Im not saying it can't happen, but for a board that roasts Thad alive for his rumors I am surprised how many are just accepting these as fact
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-07-2008, 07:40 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Exactly. And Im not saying it can't happen, but for a board that roasts Thad alive for his rumors I am surprised how many are just accepting these as fact
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Perhaps, Prax, it has to do with credibility and crying wolf? When one person says it, it is brushed off, and when another does, it is taken seriously. Think about it: Why would that be?
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08-07-2008, 08:40 AM
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Re: Swinging Church!
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Perhaps, Prax, it has to do with credibility and crying wolf? When one person says it, it is brushed off, and when another does, it is taken seriously. Think about it: Why would that be?
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Miss Brattperson,
In my case it is not that I doubt the veracity of some of the persons bringing the accusations here it is that most of these stories are second or third hand and I know how rumors in Pentecost work.
Most of the people repeating them are honest and good hearted but at each step of the journey one or two words can get changed just a little and before you know it the rumor bears little resemblence to the truth.
Case in point is one poster on here who posted about a pastor saying that what married couples did in the privacy of their home was their own business.
This poster inferred that this pastor was possibly condoning wife swapping or something like that which is hooey because it was obvius the pastor was talking about what goes on between a husband and wife.
By the time that story gets retold a few more times the pastor will have been in bed with couples!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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