Be Ye Perfect

[Joelel]

I think I'll just obey the word and believe it and I'll be Perfect(Full grown)to what ever state of growing I'm at.Because perfect means full grown and a one year old is a full grown one year old and a eight year old is a full grown eight year old and so on.He's talking to the church hear,so i'm not going to say i have no sin and i have not sinned.I think i'll just obey the word and just confess my sin if i do sin and i'll stay perfect (fullgrown) to the state of growing i'm at and i'll grow some more.1 John 1:[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I might become a perfect(full grown) man befor I die but if i don't i'll be a perfect (full grown)10 or 12 year old.

Cor.13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity,( Perfected love) I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, (Perfected love) I am nothing.

13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity,(Perfected Love) it profiteth me nothing.13:4 Charity (Perfected Love)suffereth long, and is kind; charity(Perfected Love) envieth not; charity (perfected Love)vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.13:8 Charity (Perfected Love)never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away (WHEN WE ARE NOT PERFECTED IN LOVE).13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

13:10 But when that which is perfect (Perfected Love)is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.13:11 When I was a child, ( Not perfect in love)I spake as a child,(Not perfect in love) I understood as a child,(not perfect in love) I thought as a child: (not Perfect in love)but when I became a man,(became perfect in love) I put away childish things.

13:12 For now(before we became perfect) we see through a glass, darkly; but then(when we became perfect) face to face: now I know(When i'm not perfect) in part; but then(when i become perfect) shall I know even as also I am known.13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity,( perfect love) these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (Perfected love)

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Joelel

I think I'll just obey the word and believe it and I'll be Perfect(Full grown)to what ever state of growing I'm at.Because perfect means full grown and a one year old is a full grown one year old and a eight year old is a full grown eight year old and so on.He's talking to the church hear,so i'm not going to say i have no sin and i have not sinned.I think i'll just obey the word and just confess my sin if i do sin and i'll stay perfect (fullgrown) to the state of growing i'm at and i'll grow some more.1 John 1:[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I might become a perfect(full grown) man befor I die but if i don't i'll be a perfect (full grown)10 or 12 year old.

Cor.13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity,( Perfected love) I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, (Perfected love) I am nothing.

13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity,(Perfected Love) it profiteth me nothing.13:4 Charity (Perfected Love)suffereth long, and is kind; charity(Perfected Love) envieth not; charity (perfected Love)vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.13:8 Charity (Perfected Love)never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away (WHEN WE ARE NOT PERFECTED IN LOVE).13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

13:10 But when that which is perfect (Perfected Love)is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.13:11 When I was a child, ( Not perfect in love)I spake as a child,(Not perfect in love) I understood as a child,(not perfect in love) I thought as a child: (not Perfect in love)but when I became a man,(became perfect in love) I put away childish things.

13:12 For now(before we became perfect) we see through a glass, darkly; but then(when we became perfect) face to face: now I know(When i'm not perfect) in part; but then(when i become perfect) shall I know even as also I am known.13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity,( perfect love) these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (Perfected love)

I agree with your statement.

A perfect two year old is still perfect even if he soils his pants, that happens with two year olds, but if that is happening at the age of 21 then something is wrong..........

[Michael The Disciple]

If one commits sin at ANY STAGE of his walk he is in danger as long as the sin is not forsaken. Anannias and his wife bear witness of this. They were new converts. They decided to do something wrong.

God used Peter to pronounce judgment upon them and they both fell dead the same day. Why? They commited a sin. Although Gods punishment usually does not come so dramatically nonetheless we have been warned by this and other Biblical stories that it MIGHT.

Forsaking sin is not an option even to the New Christian as Anannias and Saphira testify. We do continue to grow up into him in all things. Like his power. Like his zeal. Like his love. But as far as commiting sin the Christian should be taught they are dead to sin. The Christian should be taught that it is unusual for Christians to commit sin.

[Michael The Disciple]

When the Christian is told to be PERFECT this is in many cases the meaning:

12: Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God. Col. 4:12

It means to be perfect as to doing the will of God. This should be taught and understood by all the Churches. If their ministers fail to teach this the people will be unaware of what is required of them. The Lord said his people perish for the lack of knowledge. It is happening before our eyes.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If one commits sin at ANY STAGE of his walk he is in danger as long as the sin is not forsaken. Anannias and his wife bear witness of this. They were new converts. They decided to do something wrong.

God used Peter to pronounce judgment upon them and they both fell dead the same day. Why? They commited a sin. Although Gods punishment usually does not come so dramatically nonetheless we have been warned by this and other Biblical stories that it MIGHT.

Forsaking sin is not an option even to the New Christian as Anannias and Saphira testify. We do continue to grow up into him in all things. Like his power. Like his zeal. Like his love. But as far as commiting sin the Christian should be taught they are dead to sin. The Christian should be taught that it is unusual for Christians to commit sin.

We must be born of the word as well as being born of the water and Spirit.Once we are born of the Spirit then the Spirit will teach us all truth and we become born of the word.Please note words ,Seed and word and born.The seed is the word of God.

Luke 8:11: Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.12: Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.13: They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

14: And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

This is where we grow to.We are not here when filled with the Spirit.2 Cor.3:3: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ (word)ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Jesus must be formed in us.Gal.4:19: My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ (word) be formed in you,

We purifiy our souls as we hear truth and obey it.We are being born (regenerated) by the word.1 Peter 122: Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth(word) through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:23: Being born again, not of corruptible seed,(WORD) but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

He writes to the church,That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,(SEED).Eph.5:25: Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;26: That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,(SEED)27: That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

By us keeping his word is love is perfected.1 John 2:5: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

In the Greek this says we don't practice sin.Meaning we don't do the same sin over and over,but don't mean we will not ever sin.1John 3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed (word) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1John 4:7: Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God,(THE WORD) and knoweth God.8: He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.9: In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

10: Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.11: Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.12: No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

This is what believe really means.1John5:1: Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of GodTHE WORD) and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten (born,regenerated)of him.2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.4: For whatsoever is born of God (THE WORD)overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 John5:18: We know that whosoever is born of God (THE WORD)sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not

[Michael The Disciple]

Joel posted:

In the Greek this says we don't practice sin.Meaning we don't do the same sin over and over,but don't mean we will not ever sin.1John 3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed (word) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Me:

Agreed but neither does it rule out that one would never sin again. It is within the spirit filled believer, trained in the word to not commit sin. IF he does he may confess and go on.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If that be true it means that the Father is in the process of being perfected!

God does not change: Hebrews 13:8.

(It is possible to live a sinless life after being remitted: 2 Peter 1:3-11. I'd say the core meaning, and what it is to be perfect will follow through after following the two greatest commandments: Matthew 22:36-40.)

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Joel posted:

In the Greek this says we don't practice sin.Meaning we don't do the same sin over and over,but don't mean we will not ever sin.1John 3:9: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed (word) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Me:

Agreed but neither does it rule out that one would never sin again. It is within the spirit filled believer, trained in the word to not commit sin. IF he does he may confess and go on.

Amen

[Joelel]

John 3:29: He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30: He must INCREASE, but I must DECREASE. (God increases his spirit (word) and Spirit as we decrease

Eph.4:16: From whom the whole BODY fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the MEASURE of every part, maketh INCREASE of the BODY unto the edifying of itself in love


Eph:4:13: Till we all come in the unity (ONE) of the FAITH, and of the KNOWLEDGE of the Son of God, unto a PERFECT man, unto the MEASURE of the STATURE of the FULLNESS of Christ

Math.25: 1: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2: And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3: They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no OIL (faith,word,Spirit) with them:
4: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5: While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6: And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7: Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8: And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9: But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10: And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11: Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12: But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13: Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh

Rom.12:2: And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, (by the increase of word,Spirit and faith) that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God

1 Peter5:10: But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you
Heb.2:10: For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings

God gives us a mesure of faith,then it grows.Rom.12:3: For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the MEASURE of FAITH.
James2:22: Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?1 Thes.3:10: Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?
2 Peter1:5: And beside this, giving all diligence,(make every effort) add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6: And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7: And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8: For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9: But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10: Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

[Bro-Larry]

The meaning of the word "perfect" in the New Testament, is full grown; complete and entire lacking nothing.

If you sin or get sick, you are not dead to the flesh. A dead man can't sin and you can't make a dead man sick.