Pastors forced to perform same-sex marriages

[anon5]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you gotta believe that the world's largest arms dealers, US, are viewed as "Christian."

I sort of doubt the individuals behind arms deals are actually Christian. Though I can't be sure pf that. Nevertheless, they aren't doing it in the name of Christianity.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by anon5

I sort of doubt the individuals behind arms deals are actually Christian. Though I can't be sure pf that. Nevertheless, they aren't doing it in the name of Christianity.

I kind of doubt terrorists are Muslim... Jk!

[anon5]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Teachers would kicked out if they asked a student not to pray over a meal or at a ball game. I know I read my bible and prayed in school most everyday. Don't blame the teachers when a kid doesn't pray in school. That just isn't the truth.

Don't call me a liar. I know what I heard and I know what I saw. Fortunately, the area was very conservative and the principal was a nice Christian who backed me up. The teacher said flat out when confronted that school was no place for ANY practice of religion. The principal told her she was in the wrong and to back off. Principal said it was practically impossible to fire a teacher these days due largely to administrations and unions.

[anon5]

My point though is if this happened in the area where I live, then it is happening in other places where the principals might not be so empathetic

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by anon5

Don't call me a liar. I know what I heard and I know what I saw. Fortunately, the area was very conservative and the principal was a nice Christian who backed me up. The teacher said flat out when confronted that school was no place for ANY practice of religion. The principal told her she was in the wrong and to back off. Principal said it was practically impossible to fire a teacher these days due largely to administrations and unions.

Anon, I prayed everyday in school. In my free time during class or lunch I would pull out a bible and read it. No problem. No one told me to stop or not pray or read my bible. Though I was usually respectful and put it down or away when I should.

That teacher should not have been fired but was def in the wrong. The principle did right though. And his response is he typical response of schools all across America.

Btw that was less than 10 years ago that I did that. I laughed then and still do everytime I hear they are taking prayer out of our schools. It's simply fear based propaganda...

[Aquila]

Frankly, all of this is why I believe the government should get out of the marriage business. It isn't illegal to have a purely ecclesiastical or spiritual marriage. You just can't file taxes as though you're in a civil marriage. Also, to receive certain rights you need powers of attorney. Quakers and other Christian groups have opposed civil marriages for many years. Early Quakers had no licensed clergy and refused to file their marriages with the state. Some still do. However, they are advised to have legal counsel to ensure that they have various rights in areas of health care and finances.

These groups point out that, "biblically speaking", marriage wasn't a civil construct of the government... but rather a private contract between a couple and/or their families. Also, the marriage was typically presided over by the woman's father. However, a marriage could be established by the couple privately. It was like this in early America too. Hence the old "common law marriage" statutes.

The church could bless unions with "Holy Matrimony" and allow each individual couple to decide if they wanted to seek a "Civil Marriage" after the fact, or at all.

With this... Christian marriage customs become divorced (no pun intended) from the civil authority and are immune from civil intrusion and penalties if they do not provide civil marriages from same gender couples.

[aegsm76]

Aquila - it's never going to happen.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Aquila - it's never going to happen.

There are already Christians choosing Sovereign Christian marriages.

All the church would have to do is acknowledge these marriages as valid, although they are not recognized by the government. Then marriage by private contract would be a reality and the church would manage it's own marriages. The Quakers have had these kinds of marriages for centuries.

[aegsm76]

The government will never get out of the marriage business.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

The government will never get out of the marriage business.

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. Of course the government isn't going to divest itself in civil marriages. However... What if churches and believers refused to allow the government into their marriages??? As this ministry does:

http://ingodseyesonly.com/