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07-30-2007, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
You see Prax ,since there was no sex act to conceive Jesus ,then fallen Adam's nature could not be passed on to Christ.From a medical standpoint I can't explain this ,but if Jesus was born a sinner then He couldn't have been the ultimate sacrifice for our sin.
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Was Mary the physical mother of Jesus or was she just an incubater? What you are really espousing there is actually Divine flesh. You may not realize it, but essentially what that means is because they did not have sex Jesus did not inherit the sin nature from Mary....but that would mean then that he inherited NOTHING from Mary physically....see it has nothing to do with sex. If Jesus was made from Mary's Humanity then Jesus has the same nature she does
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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07-30-2007, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Yet our DNA is tainted because of sin and death that is in the world ...even in our DNA.
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No doubt our DNA bears the RESULT of sin...
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-30-2007, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
How does a virgin birth make him not of the same nature as us?
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Jesus had a human nature ,but not a fallen adamic nature.
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07-30-2007, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
No doubt our DNA bears the RESULT of sin...
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07-30-2007, 10:49 PM
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Have fun, Scott.
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07-30-2007, 10:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
Jesus had a human nature ,but not a fallen adamic nature.
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That is essentially what the Divine Flesh advocates believe.
Consider these verses
Rom 1:3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-30-2007, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Strange
Until Christ, the seed of Abraham was natural. In his seed (Christ) shall all the nations be blessed. Since Christ, the seed of Abraham is spiritual by which those blessings are confered. Christ is both the natural seed (from) Abraham and the Spiritual Seed OF Abraham by whom all nations are blessed. It is the seed of faith, making you and I the children of Abraham by that same spiritual (Christ) seed of Abraham.
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Then you are, by default, maintaining that the natural "seed" of Abraham would have had to be pure. Point: If it was preserved, as I believe you stated earlier, and then implanted into Mary, then it would have had to go through some major transformation fro sinful to sinless. In other words, you seem to be exempting Abraham from the Adamic nature/sin quotient.
Unless, adn here is where it can get tricky, you are saying in a moment'stime the natural became spiritual , and voila! Christ! ????
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07-30-2007, 10:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
Jesus had a human nature ,but not a fallen adamic nature.
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This is the stance that HF proponents take. Scott, I didn't know you believed that doctrine.
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07-30-2007, 10:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas
Was Mary the physical mother of Jesus or was she just an incubater? What you are really espousing there is actually Divine flesh. You may not realize it, but essentially what that means is because they did not have sex Jesus did not inherit the sin nature from Mary....but that would mean then that he inherited NOTHING from Mary physically....see it has nothing to do with sex. If Jesus was made from Mary's Humanity then Jesus has the same nature she does
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Jesus Christ had human flesh ,not divine flesh ,Jesus called Mary His mother.
But I do know the Holy Ghost overshadowed a virgin and she conceived ,how did she conceive I don't know ?it was supernatural,but if Jesus had a fallen Adamic ,nature ,He couldn't have been The Lamb Of God slain before the foundation of the world .
How did a virgin conceive I don't know ?But I believe what the Bible says.
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07-30-2007, 10:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas
That is essentially what the Divine Flesh advocates believe.
Consider these verses
Rom 1:3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.
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It is also what I and countless others believe who are not DF believers. He had a human nature, but not the fallen human nature of sinful humanity.
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