Burning the Koran

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The pastor is retaliating with actions. I don't believe what he is doing is a good thing. He should have used that day for a gathering of prayer instead of a book burning.

All I'm saying is that if you are going to continue to threaten America if you don't get your way, it's going to cause some trouble. So, I would prefer to have the trouble than to be cowered in fear.

Imam Rauf is using fear tactics to threaten us and we need to call him on it. The average American isn't going to put up with that in their neighborhoods. It's going to eventually start a civil war.

I am not advocating picking up arms, but I am saying that we are not afraid to defend ourselves either. Don't threaten me. Don't threaten America in order to subjugate us to your ways.

Look, the Muslims were already up in arms over the majority of America not wanting a mosque at what they perceive as a landmark area for Ground Zero. The book burning, perhaps, added fuel to the fire, but make no mistake - trying to appease the Muslim world is simply not going to work.

In order to do that, we will have to kow-tow to their every wishes and will eventually have to subjugate ourselves to their beliefs and their way. The Ground Zero mosque and the book burning are side issues to what the real and dangerous deep seated problem with Islam is about.

So, again, don't threaten our country with your violence, we will fight back.

I have a rather large Mosque and growing Muslim population in my town. I don't know if they are radical or not. I assume some might be. I have a four year old little boy. You see... if the extremists wish to retaliate...they aren't going to attack this pastor immediately. They aren't going to clash with police or "declare civil war" to call the military out. They will not come after you and me. A suicide bomber will walk into a K-5 school and blow himself up. In the end the ones who perish will be innocents.

I can see not allowing the Mosque to be built on what should be a war memorial. That's a zoning issue.

I can also see not allowing this pastor to incite violence that will only be perpetrated on innocent men, women, and children.

This is a public safety issue. If left unaddressed, the authorities are responsible for not protecting our kids. Yes... I agree. We shouldn't cower in fear. We definately need to take a stand and go after those who are part of networks that wish us harm. However, going after those who will bring harm upon us also means doing something about what this pastor is about to do.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

He may just be acting in ignorance. The devil recruits handsome, articulate, smooth operators. The IMAM is full of the devil. He has image, works a crowd, lies about intent etc.

The devil will use anyone who will allow him.

[Aquila]

Here's a question...

Seeing that Islam appears to not recognize the separation of church and state, and seeing that Islam wishes to impose Shariah Law...

Should it be examined to see if Islam can be classified as a politic (instead of a religion) with potentially violent adherents promoting the subversion of the Constitution and the United States?

How does one classify religio-fascism?

Just a random thought here. lol

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I have a rather large Mosque and growing Muslim population in my town. I don't know if they are radical or not. I assume some might be. I have a four year old little boy. You see... if the extremists wish to retaliate...they aren't going to attack this pastor immediately. They aren't going to clash with police or "declare civil war" to call the military out. A suicide bomber will walk into a K-5 school and blow himself up. In the end the ones who suffer will be innocents.

I can see not allowing the Mosque to be built on what should be a war memorial. That's a zoning issue.

I can also see not allowing this pastor to incite violence that will only be perpetrated on innocent men, women, and children.

This is a public safety issue. If left unaddressed, the authorities are responsible for not protecting our kids. Yes... I agree. We shouldn't cower in fear. We definately need to take a stand and go after those who are part of networks that wish us harm. However, going after those who will bring harm upon us also means doing something about what this pastor is about to do.

You are right, it must be addressed. The only problem is that we are not listening to what this Imam is saying. If you listen to the CNN interview that I posted, you will see that he is not actually the "moderate" Muslim he has portrayed himself to be. So, all in all, this altercation may be a good thing.

It is opening the eyes to those that have no understanding of the danger of Islamic Sharia Law.

Now, I believe that there are Muslims in this country who are happy to live with the freedoms that we afford them here. They are not stepping up to voice any objections because they want to keep that freedom. Just as in the slave days, there were plenty of white people, including my ancestors, that stepped in an aided runaway slaves. I believe if we come to a civil war in this country and it is coming, there are some Muslims that will side with us. Basically, because George Bush was right when he said, (can't find the exact quote) He based his decision on going to war because "it is inherent in every man to be free." I believe that.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

We have millions of Muslim frenzied maniacs ready to declare war on Christians at the drop of a hat. The Koran burning may be the spark that ignites the explosion. It may eventually happen anyway, but why provoke it sooner?

I fear that the Koran burning will trigger church burnings and Christian executions worldwide. These Muslim morons are mostly simpletons that will do the dirty work of the more intelligent "believers" who use these idiots for political purposes.

The Muslims seem have no sense of morality or value humanity. Taking a hundred lives in response to a book burning will be applauded and praised in the Muslim community as an appropriate response.

This underscores my point. If this is all true then we are afraid of muslim extremists. Everyone of those protesters in other nations are potential enemies but will pacifying them fix the over all problem?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here's a question...

Seeing that Islam appears to not recognize the separation of church and state, and seeing that Islam wishes to impose Shariah Law...

Should it be examined to see if Islam can be classified as a politic (instead of a religion) with potentially violent adherents promoting the subversion of the Constitution and the United States?

How does one classify religio-fascism?

Just a random thought here. lol

It has always been a political-religious entity. It began with the death of Muhammad and the Caliphate being the religious state where ever Muslims lived. The Caliph ruled the Caliphate and set up the administrative and judicial organization of the Muslim community. In Sharia Law the Caliph is to be obeyed in everything. He is much like the Catholic pope (infallible) and cannot be charged with any crime - murder, rape, etc.

Basically, Islamism is structured on the same lines as Communism and National Socialism.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This underscores my point. If this is all true then we are afraid of muslim extremists. Everyone of those protesters in other nations are potential enemies but will pacifying them fix the over all problem?

NO, it won't. It's deep seated and encompassing.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

The mosque at ground zero and the Koran burning are linked by the same freedom of speech arguments.

It's amazing to me to see the hypocrisy from those who think one is right and the other is wrong! BOTH are inflammatory acts protected by freedom of speech, and I hope officials find a way to prevent both from happening.

Bottom line: Muslims hate freedom of speech and freedom of religion, except when it comes to them?

Are American Muslims different? I'd like to see a poll asking if they think Christians should be allowed to build churches in SA

Extremists Muslims shout "Death to America" (get's a little tired, why not change it to "blah blah blah"?), why do they not instead should "Death to Terry Jones"?

Because they don't blame him, they blame America.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

The mosque at ground zero and the Koran burning are linked by the same freedom of speech arguments.

It's amazing to me to see the hypocrisy from those who think one is right and the other is wrong! BOTH are inflammatory acts protected by freedom of speech, and I hope officials find a way to prevent both from happening.

amen

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Aquila

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How does one classify religio-fascism?
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some might think the UPC as an organization falls into that class