Burning the Koran

[Sam]

Burning what our President refers to as "The Holy Koran"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_afghanistan_protest

Mon Sep 6, 9:55 am ET

KABUL (Reuters) – Several hundred Afghans chanting "Death to America" rallied outside a mosque in the Afghan capital on Monday to protest against an American church's plan to burn a copy of the Koran on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

The protesters, mostly students from religious schools, gathered outside Kabul's Milad ul-Nabi mosque to condemn plans by the Gainesville, Florida-based Dove World Outreach Center to burn copies of the Koran to mark the ninth anniversary of the attacks against the United States.

"We call on America to stop desecrating our Holy Koran," student Wahidullah Nori told Reuters. He said the street protests condemning the church would continue "every day."

U.S. President Barack Obama has made efforts to reach out to the world's 1.5 billion Muslims since taking office last year, most recently hosting Muslim leaders at the White House at the start of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan in August.

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul said the "United States government in no way condones such acts of disrespect against the religion of Islam, and is deeply concerned about deliberate attempts to offend members of religious or ethnic groups."

"Americans from all religious and ethnic backgrounds reject this offensive initiative by this small group in Florida, a great number of American voices are protesting the hurtful statements made by this organization," it said in a statement.

A proposal to build an Islamic center and mosque two blocks from the site of the worst of the September 11, 2001, attacks in New York has stirred heated debate in the United States.

Opponents of the plan say it is insensitive to families of the victims of the September 11 attacks by al Qaeda.

U.S.-backed Afghan forces toppled the Taliban government in Afghanistan soon after those attacks for harboring al Qaeda leaders, including Osama bin Laden.

Demonstrations and riots triggered by reported desecration of the Koran are not infrequent in Afghanistan. The most violent protests came after cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad in a Danish newspaper in 2006.

In January this year, Afghan troops shot dead eight demonstrators and wounded 13 in southern Helmand province in a riot triggered by reports that foreign troops had desecrated the Koran during a raid. A spokesman for NATO forces denied the report.

(Writing by Tim Gaynor; Editing by Paul Tait)

[Walks_in_islam]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/24...4XRc&wom=false

Nice. "Right Wing Extreme?"?

<sigh> When will it be called even for Sept 11th? (2) countries. 8 billion rounds fired, enough to kill or wound every man, woman, and child on the face of the earth. Tens of thousands dead in payment. A trillion dollars spent. 250 MILLION dollars was spent per victim to pound the perpetrators into the dust.

When does the healing start? Ever?

[Praxeas]

Maybe the Muslims in Sudan, Iraq and other places can treat Christians better, that might be a start too.

As for this church, I support their legal right to do so. I don't support their decision to do so. I think it's stupid and doesn't do anything for anyone other than make a few red necks happy

[Michael]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Maybe the Muslims in Sudan, Iraq and other places can treat Christians better, that might be a start too.

As for this church, I support their legal right to do so. I don't support their decision to do so. I think it's stupid and doesn't do anything for anyone other than make a few red necks happy

[repconackd]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Maybe the Muslims in Sudan, Iraq and other places can treat Christians better, that might be a start too.

As for this church, I support their legal right to do so. I don't support their decision to do so. I think it's stupid and doesn't do anything for anyone other than make a few red necks happy

They may not have the legal right to do it if it is considered that the "speech" will incite violence. If the "speech" would cause imminent lawless action, it is not protected under the First Amendment, Brandenburg v. Ohio. The other exception it may fall under is "Fighting Words" (Keep in mind that demonstration is considered speech under the First Amendment.) "...those (words) that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace." Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by repconackd

They may not have the legal right to do it if it is considered that the "speech" will incite violence. If the "speech" would cause imminent lawless action, it is not protected under the First Amendment, Brandenburg v. Ohio. The other exception it may fall under is "Fighting Words" (Keep in mind that demonstration is considered speech under the First Amendment.) "...those (words) that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace." Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire.

Give us a break. What a sloppy to oppose something. It is the Muslims threatening violence that is wrong. They are whiners and babies. Burning garbage doesn't tell a single person to create a violent deed against a Muslim. Listen to chants at football games if you want insight. The games don't incite violence after games.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by coadie

Give us a break. What a sloppy to oppose something. It is the Muslims threatening violence that is wrong. They are whiners and babies. Burning garbage doesn't tell a single person to create a violent deed against a Muslim. Listen to chants at football games if you want insight. The games don't incite violence after games.

First let me correct an error on my part. My daughter was logged into AFF and I didn't realize I was posting under her name.

I am not sure what "Sloppy" is but I am pretty sure it doesn't apply to over 70 years of Supreme Court decisions many of which were unanimous on the topic. Personally, I don't see this as free speech I see it as a deliberate attempt to stir up violence. Complete ignorance.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

First let me correct an error on my part. My daughter was logged into AFF and I didn't realize I was posting under her name.

I am not sure what "Sloppy" is but I am pretty sure it doesn't apply to over 70 years of Supreme Court decisions many of which were unanimous on the topic. Personally, I don't see this as free speech I see it as a deliberate attempt to stir up violence. Complete ignorance.

How do you explain Phelps victory in Nebraska? Or Bill ayers also desecrating the flag? Theirs is free speech and protected. The opposing party is responsible for their own behavior. I understand Muslims from a different perspective. We supported a mission in a Muslim country since the 50's as a family. You are limited to the media. winning a muslim to the Lord incites violence. They get a death threat. If they return to their country they go to jail. Baron you also like the media can't read minds. Even when we send a medical doctor into the Jungle, we sometimes incite violence by the shamans and witchdoctiors.
Casting the demons out of a girl incited violence in Acts and got a couple apostles tossed in jail.

Muslims play the blame game because the the political correct crowd enable them.

Burn the quran
Create a cartoon
Convert a soul

Honor killings are actually unprovoked violence.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by coadie

How do you explain Phelps victory in Nebraska? Or Bill ayers also desecrating the flag? Theirs is free speech and protected. The opposing party is responsible for their own behavior. I understand Muslims from a different perspective. We supported a mission in a Muslim country since the 50's as a family. You are limited to the media. winning a muslim to the Lord incites violence. They get a death threat. If they return to their country they go to jail. Baron you also like the media can't read minds. Even when we send a medical doctor into the Jungle, we sometimes incite violence by the shamans and witchdoctiors.
Casting the demons out of a girl incited violence in Acts and got a couple apostles tossed in jail.

Muslims play the blame game because the the political correct crowd enable them.

Burn the quran
Create a cartoon
Convert a soul

Honor killings are actually unprovoked violence.

If your behavior either 1. will incite other to violence through the fighting words doctrine or 2. If your speech will incite those who are listening to violence then it is not protected speech.

As to Phelps, the Supreme court had already ruled on flag burning as speech and what was being challenged was the state law against desecration of the flag.

Saying the opposing party is responsible for their behavior doesn't apply if it falls under fighting words. Flag burning has been declared Constitutional. Incidental Scalia voted in favor of allowing flag burning as a form of speech that did not and Stevens voted against it.

It is not free speech to burn a cross with "an intent to intimidate."

[whoami]

I really REALLY hope this church doesn't go through with this.