David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decision - Page 17

Jehoram · #**161** 03-02-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueNorth

You don't think they should work on the weekends?
How many days a week should they work at HQ?

I think if they are representing the fellowship, and getting paid handsomely by the fellowship, there should be limits placed on that sort of activity.

Jehoram · #**162** 03-02-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

OK, this is none of my business because I do not financially support the UPC (except for occasional purchases from the PPH and a subscription to the Herald), but, what kind of salary, benefits, and perks to executives at WEC receive? Just curious.

I'm not going there.

ManOfWord · #**163** 03-02-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Wow, lots of "stuff" being thrown around on this thread.

Yes, there is and I can tell you that much of this information is accurate. I would also be willing to bet that when people have tried to bring up some of these "inconsistencies" and suggested ways to be better stewards of "John Q. Apostolic's" offerings, they were told the same old "apostolic" line, "It's your job to be obedient to those over you and not question."

I know some of you will say these things don't happen, but you would be surprised at the things which DO happen and cause people there to lose total faith in the system and get burnt in the process.

Some of these people, instead of trying to cause trouble and start a "scandal" they behave like better Christians than those who are supposed to be godly examples and just go their way hoping their wounds will heal someday.

I can't and won't go into details, but most on here know that I rarely post things which are inaccurate or errant.

Jehoram · #**164** 03-02-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Yes, there is and I can tell you that much of this information is accurate. I would also be willing to bet that when people have tried to bring up some of these "inconsistencies" and suggested ways to be better stewards of "John Q. Apostolic's" offerings, they were told the same old "apostolic" line, "It's your job to be obedient to those over you and not question."

I know some of you will say these things don't happen, but you would be surprised at the things which DO happen and cause people there to lose total faith in the system and get burnt in the process.

Some of these people, instead of trying to cause trouble and start a "scandal" they behave like better Christians than those who are supposed to be godly examples and just go their way hoping their wounds will heal someday.

Gee, that sounds eerily familiar to conversations I have been involved in.

Pressing-On · #**165** 03-02-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Yes, there is and I can tell you that much of this information is accurate. I would also be willing to bet that when people have tried to bring up some of these "inconsistencies" and suggested ways to be better stewards of "John Q. Apostolic's" offerings, they were told the same old "apostolic" line, "It's your job to be obedient to those over you and not question."

I know some of you will say these things don't happen, but you would be surprised at the things which DO happen and cause people there to lose total faith in the system and get burnt in the process.

Some of these people, instead of trying to cause trouble and start a "scandal" they behave like better Christians than those who are supposed to be godly examples and just go their way hoping their wounds will heal someday.

I can't and won't go into details, but most on here know that I rarely post things which are inaccurate or errant.

Thanks for you response, MOW. Since we found a place to air this all out, could someone verify this piece of information for me? I like details.

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It would also help if they would cut out the $12,000.00 birthday parties they throw for the Haneys and Jones every year.

Jehoram · #**166** 03-02-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Some have certainly become millionaires. The housing allowance, retirement benefits and salary of a typical WEC executive is quite lucrative.

Not to mention "double-dipping." Men who are supposed to be working and receiving a salary from the org, yet are out preaching every weekend and getting paid handsomely for that as well.

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Originally Posted by TrueNorth

Bro.
12 k would be extravagant - is that some kind of thing for the whole staff?

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Originally Posted by TrueNorth

You don't think they should work on the weekends?
How many days a week should they work at HQ?

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

I think if they are representing the fellowship, and getting paid handsomely by the fellowship, there should be limits placed on that sort of activity.

Let me explain.

Let's say...

1. A minister is employed by Headquarters to head up a division, or assist a dept head on a salaried basis.

2. That minister receives a housing allowance, unbelievable retirement package and excellent salary with health benefits.

3. That minister goes to such and such district event or local church and expects to be paid handsomely for speaking. He expects this BECAUSE of the position he holds.

How silly is that? Especially when those people are already paying him big bucks through dues and donations to HQ.

I could totally understand travel reimbursement. But some of these men are abusing the system. They make as much from preaching out as they do from their salaried position.

ManOfWord · #**167** 03-02-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Gee, that sounds eerily familiar to conversations I have been involved in.

I have conversations with many people due to my roots in the UPC and the fact that I am still oneness etc. Many people would be surprised at the things people share with me. These people are NOT wanting to destroy someone's career or ministry. They just can't believe that people who they thought, due to their position in the org, would be spiritual giants turned out to be giganitcally abusive!

Jehoram · #**168** 03-02-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I have conversations with many people due to my roots in the UPC and the fact that I am still oneness etc. Many people would be surprised at the things people share with me. These people are NOT wanting to destroy someone's career or ministry. They just can't believe that people who they thought, due to their position in the org, would be spiritual giants turned out to be giganitcally abusive!

Most leaders are servant-minded in the UPC.

Some are not.

I'm sure that is the case in all religious organizations.

ManOfWord · #**169** 03-02-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thanks for you response, MOW. Since we found a place to air this all out, could someone verify this piece of information for me? I like details.

If I told you my sources, I'd have to kill you!!!

In all honesty, people from many walks in the UPC contact me in confidence and I have never betrayed that confidence, nor will I.

J-Roc · #**170** 03-02-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alter Ego

Let me explain.

Let's say...

1. A minister is employed by Headquarters to head up a division, or assist a dept head on a salaried basis.

2. That minister receives a housing allowance, unbelievable retirement package and excellent salary with health benefits.

3. That minister goes to such and such district event or local church and expects to be paid handsomely for speaking. He expects this BECAUSE of the position he holds.

How silly is that? Especially when those people are already paying him big bucks through dues and donations to HQ.

I could totally understand travel reimbursement. But some of these men are abusing the system. They make as much from preaching out as they do from their salaried position.

THIS IS INCREDIBLE!!!! Very troubling, indeed!!