My First Gay Thread

MarcBee · #1 07-11-2011, 01:22 PM

Does anyone here know someone who believes they have been "delivered" by the power of God from lifelong homosexuality? Not speaking of someone who got experimental then repented, but a former hardcore who now is not gay?

Last I heard, there aren't any verifiable cases apart from those speaking "by faith" and of course "behaving themselves".....thus far.

Sincerely asking the above, but of course I'm coming from a position (who isn't.) In recent years I've changed to believe that some people are born gay. Yes, environment has great effect too. But in general gay is not something ones chooses to be. Chooses to DO, yes, but chooses to "be", no. (Please don't take this to suppose I think homosexuality is compatible with the Bible, OT or NT. Pretty clear it isn't.)

RandyWayne · #2 07-11-2011, 01:29 PM

Well, twin studies have shown there to be a strong genetic link. Others have witnessed a strong cause and effect between homosexuality and molestation as a child or young teen. What people have NOT seen are many cases of someone simply choosing to become gay, at least in the male population. There may actually be something to "choosing" in the female persuasion though.

BrotherEastman · #3 07-11-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcBee

Does anyone here know someone who believes they have been "delivered" by the power of God from lifelong homosexuality? Not speaking of someone who got experimental then repented, but a former hardcore who now is not gay?

Last I heard, there aren't any verifiable cases apart from those speaking "by faith" and of course "behaving themselves".....thus far.

Sincerely asking the above, but of course I'm coming from a position (who isn't.) In recent years I've changed to believe that some people are born gay. Yes, environment has great effect too. But in general gay is not something ones chooses to be. Chooses to DO, yes, but chooses to "be", no. (Please don't take this to suppose I think homosexuality is compatible with the Bible, OT or NT. Pretty clear it isn't.)

Are you now consumed with this?

MarcBee · #4 07-11-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Are you now consumed with this?

Consumed with what?

BrotherEastman · #5 07-11-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcBee

Consumed with what?

LOL, I was making a joke about your curiousness to your topic.

MarcBee · #6 07-11-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

LOL, I was making a joke about your curiousness to your topic.

Oh, ok. The smiley face is supposed to make it funny, eh?

MarcBee · #7 07-11-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Are you now consumed with this?

If I'm *consumed* with anything, it's with the hope for greater truth. When the "truth" I was taught for 20 years from estimable men of God doesn't correlate with other sources of "truth" in my life, I get curious, and love to ask questions from those who can handle the question, or may just have some evidence. For example, honest research from social scientists is something to consider, as is also what gays have to say about themselves, as is what I see around me, observing. I used to shoehorn all my experience and observations to fit only what the Mand of God taught me.

If you are implying that my "curiousity" about such a question reflects a sinful "curiosity" about homosexuality, then kindly don't firebomb this thread with such nonsense. Not only have I never noticed even a gay cell in my body, but I have never been able to enjoy a face to face conversation with an effeminate man. I WISH I could just relax to better enjoy their reparte' on a normal, civil human level, however. (Too bad a childish joke makes a guy have to defend himself, good grief.)

BrotherEastman · #8 07-11-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcBee

If I'm *consumed* with anything, it's with the hope for greater truth. When the "truth" I was taught for 20 years from estimable men of God doesn't correlate with other sources of "truth" in my life, I get curious, and love to ask questions from those who can handle the question, or may just have some evidence. For example, honest research from social scientists is something to consider, as is also what gays have to say about themselves, as is what I see around me, observing. I used to shoehorn all my experience and observations to fit only what the Mand of God taught me.

If you are implying that my "curiousity" about such a question reflects a sinful "curiosity" about homosexuality, then kindly don't firebomb this thread with such nonsense. Not only have I never noticed even a gay cell in my body, but I have never been able to enjoy a face to face conversation with an effeminate man. I WISH I could just relax to better enjoy their reparte' on a normal, civil human level, however. (Too bad a childish joke makes a guy have to defend himself, good grief.)

Good grief! I apologize okay?

MarcBee · #9 07-11-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Good grief! I apologize okay?

OK!

PastorTLArt · #10 07-11-2011, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcBee

If I'm *consumed* with anything, it's with the hope for greater truth. When the "truth" I was taught for 20 years from estimable men of God doesn't correlate with other sources of "truth" in my life, I get curious, and love to ask questions from those who can handle the question, or may just have some evidence. For example, honest research from social scientists is something to consider, as is also what gays have to say about themselves, as is what I see around me, observing. I used to shoehorn all my experience and observations to fit only what the Mand of God taught me.

If you are implying that my "curiousity" about such a question reflects a sinful "curiosity" about homosexuality, then kindly don't firebomb this thread with such nonsense. Not only have I never noticed even a gay cell in my body, but I have never been able to enjoy a face to face conversation with an effeminate man. I WISH I could just relax to better enjoy their reparte' on a normal, civil human level, however. (Too bad a childish joke makes a guy have to defend himself, good grief.)

I would like to put my 2 cents in if I may, I highlighted and emboldened a statement above that I would like to touch on.

I guess its about time I say where I stand on the whole "homosexual" issue, since I seem to chime in a lot when a thread has something to do with the topic.

I guess I will go ahead and come out of my closet on the board, I am a gay man, and YES I was "born this way" if that's what you want to call it. I have had nothing in my past to "make" me gay, I didn't wake up one morning and "choose" to be gay, I just have always had an attraction to the same gender, I noticed it very early on in life. I was raised in a very strict home, I was raised as a typical "guy" I played sports, I played with boy toys, I listened to preachers decry "gays" from the pulpit, I had it deeply embedded from a very young age that homosexuality was wrong.

I fought with my feelings for many years, I spent countless hours on my face before God begging Him to change me. I sought help, I even endured preachers trying to cast the "spirit of homosexuality" out of me.

I did everything right, I prayed, I pleaded, I fasted, I cried out, and finally after many years, GOD CHANGED ME!!!! No, he didn't make me heterosexual, he didn't change my orientation, he didn't take away my desires, but He let me understand that He LOVES ME just the way HE created me!

Since that day, the day I became real with God, He has been so real to me.
I know that 99.9% of you will disagree with me, but You are not me, you haven't walked in my shoes, so you cannot even touch me with your doubts.

I know that I am accepted by my Father and I know that I am living in His will for my life, I am living out my calling and I am reaching people for the kingdom that most "pentecostals" would rather throw away.

I know that My Lord is able to keep me unto the day of redemption, I praise the Lord that I have been born again, my sins were washed away when I went down in His name over 20 years ago and I know that I was confirmed as His child when He baptized me in the precious Holy Ghost!!

I am open to talking with anyone, the bible admonishes us to "reason together".

Thank you for hearing my weigh in on the topic and May God bless all of you!

Now, If you want to burn me at the stake, you will just be sending me Home to be with Jesus sooner, and if you want to ban me from the board then that's your right, but at least let me know first!!!

Your Fellow-servant in the harvest,
Pastor TLART