The Source of Most Church Problems

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Here's what I teach.

1. It is the man's responsibility to be a gatherer and provider for his family. He should make enough to ensure that his wife and kids have food to eat, a home of their own, and the basic necessities of life. Anything else he provides is a bonus.

2. It is a woman's responsibility to care for the things of the home. I am not a cave man, I realize there are situations forced on women that they did not ask for. I also understand some women are stuck with lazy bums due to poor choices they made.

A single woman must work to live. A woman who is stuck with a dead beat for a husband has to work to live. I get that.

3. Many women do not work out of necessity. They work for two reasons.

A. They, and their husbands, want stuff. They are entangled in a spirit of materialism. They are willing to place their little ones in the arms of a stranger so they can go out and get more stuff. Reminds me a lot of Israelite parents who offered thier children in the fire of Molech.

Color me old-fashioned, but I still believe kids should be taught and nurtured by their own parents, not some state certified NEA whack-job.

B. They work because they choose to define themselves by a career rather than as a mother and wife. God's role is not good enough for them.

4. There is a lack of biblical masculinity in our world today. I WANT to take care of my wife. I don't want her to work for anyone else. I love her and want to provide for her. What is so wrong with that?

Bump for serious discussion. Newman, where are you?

BTW, I could tell stories all day of personal acquaintances who ignore their kids to pursue careers. Somehow they have developed the idiotic impression that money is all kids need from them.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Bump for serious discussion. Newman, where are you?

BTW, I could tell stories all day of personal acquaintances who ignore their kids to pursue careers. Somehow they have developed the idiotic impression that money is all kids need from them.

Hey...I was being serious......:sshhh

[Nahum]

Might I add, many of us could choose to downsize our choice of homes, cars, cell phone plans, cable packages, food choices, and the like, in exchange for more quality time with our kids.

Some folks just aren't willing to give up all of that stuff.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Might I add, many of us could choose to downsize our choice of homes, cars, cell phone plans, cable packages, food choices, and the like in exchange for more quality time with our kids.

Some folks just aren't willing to give up all of that stuff.

Like the commerical for sprite says..."thirst is everything. obey your thirst"..seems like it's caught up with us...

I have given things up for my family many times... they are most important thing God has given me on this earth...

[rgcraig]

I can't downsize too much more or I'd need to move in with someone here or their church evangelist quarters!

[Nahum]

I'd choose a smaller house so I could be with my kids more.

I'd choose an older car so I could be with my kids more.

I'd wear out-dated clothes so I could be with my kids more.

I would stop eating out so I could be with my kids more.



It's all about what we REALLY love, isn't it?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Here's what I teach.

3. Many women do not work out of necessity. They work for two reasons.

A. They, and their husbands, want stuff. They are entangled in a spirit of materialism. They are willing to place their little ones in the arms of a stranger so they can go out and get more stuff. Reminds me a lot of Israelite parents who offered thier children in the fire of Molech.

Color me old-fashioned, but I still believe kids should be taught and nurtured by their own parents, not some state certified NEA whack-job.

B. They work because they choose to define themselves by a career rather than as a mother and wife. God's role is not good enough for them.

1. What is the wife of the materialistic husband supposed to do? Defy her husband by staying at home or go to work?

2. Do all working women put their children in the arms of strangers? Would it make a difference if they did not?

3. Look around at the people you grew up with (not their parents). Which marriages survive today? The stay at home moms; or the materialistic couples; or there is no difference?

4. What about couples where the wife works so the kids get to know their father instead of having him work all the time?

5. Where does Scripture define women by their children but not men?

6. Is the pastor's wife really only defined as a wife and mother? Or is there extra satisfaction in that "non-working" role?

7. Why should all marriages be alike? Don't people come with different emotional temperments, energy levels, and gifting? What then gives one the right to tell another man what is best for his family?

Just curious.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I can't downsize too much more or I'd need to move in with someone here or their church evangelist quarters!

and yet by the smile on that young woman's face in your avatar it looks like you have done a good job.......

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by revrandy

and yet by the smile on that young woman's face in your avatar it looks like you have done a good job.......

With God's help I am blessed and have two wonderful kids!

[Newman]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Age or position doesn't have much to do with respect or decisions...

For example I purchased a boat that my wife did NOT want me to purchase...but I knew I could resell it and make some extra money...

I purchased against my wife's wishes and three days later doubled my money... nothing major but a decision I made none the less.... did her respect for my buying power diminish or rise?

I am going to assume that boats were an area of expertise for you. What if the decision went to her area of expertise?

And again, are you an oldest child and she a youngest child?