PO...sorry if i misread your post. i'll try to clarify.
I read your post to say that you believe God has a salvation plan...and that he would not change it for a few people(deaf/mute/tongueless/etc...). I took your post to be that you were speaking of Acts 2:38 as that salvation plan.
If I understood wrongly...I am sorry.
I have studied, Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, baptism, and repentance, IMO, the terms keep spiraling back to Acts 2:38, therefore, I believe that to be the plan of salvation.
Make no mistake that I also believe that in order to stay saved, we must walk in the Spirit and not according to the flesh.
O I believe that a mute deaf dumb cannot speak person will be saved thats why I am questioning the 3 step salvational process people put there trust in signs and not in Jesus
KW, I guess I just don't understand this approach. There will always be people who cannot perform something we do out of obedience to God...even the one-step. I'm not sure how we can make that a basis for our interpretation of what God requires from us. I would rely on Scriptural directives for that.
Arguing that the Bible doesn't require this is a totally different argument in my opinion.
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there are many things on that site....and this....that are not "Apostolic".
We do NOT/and cannot know how the Apostles felt, thought, or even taught about some things. We just don't have that kind of information.
This is very true and as we move into a more carnal and narcissistic society, I will not have my opinions or beliefs formed by internet blogs, forums or organizational websites.
If you truly believe that away PO then there is no way someone that cannot speak or one who is not able to be baptised or repent can be saved I think there is more to the scripture then we read into..
If you truly believe that away PO then there is no way someone that cannot speak or one who is not able to be baptised or repent can be saved I think there is more to the scripture then we read into..
LOL! I can see you are not registering or paying attention to what Stew and I have posted. We are both in agreement on this.
Having said that, I see the conversation is over. We all believe what we WANT to believe and there is no point in going further in this debate.
O I believe that a mute deaf dumb cannot speak person will be saved thats why I am questioning the 3 step salvational process people put there trust in signs and not in Jesus
dumb? deaf, mute and dumb? that can not speak?
Anyways, I believe a deaf person, who can't hear, that is mute, meaning they can't make audible sounds, can be saved.
But deaf people are not normally mute. They just don't know how to pronounce words not being able to hear how they should sound, but they can speak. And they can speak in tongues.
But as for a mute, I believe they can speak in tongues too...you won't hear it though.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
there are many things on that site....and this....that are not "Apostolic".
We do NOT/and cannot know how the Apostles felt, thought, or even taught about some things. We just don't have that kind of information.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
This is very true and as we move into a more carnal and narcissistic society, I will not have my opinions or beliefs formed by internet blogs, forums or organizational websites.
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Originally Posted by KWSS1976
If you truly believe that away PO then there is no way someone that cannot speak or one who is not able to be baptised or repent can be saved I think there is more to the scripture then we read into..
After reviewing this again, I would like to explain to you what I am meaning here.
As the Apostles walked with Jesus, they were there when He was crucified, they saw Him after He was buried in the tomb, He showed Himself to them and talked with them before He ascended, They were also present on the Day of Pentecost when the phenomenon of the church began - the outpouring of His Spirit.
By that, I feel that the Apostles were closer and more privy to what we have possibly watered down through time - things we try to make sense of and explain away.
That is what I meant by my post when I agreed that we didn't know how the Apostles felt, thought and in some cases taught.
I remember one of my sisters questioning my beliefs. She listened to me and then wanted to hear what my husband had to say. He told her, "I don't think any church or individual is perfect. What I want to do is be in a church that follows the actions of the Apostles as close as we can. That's the church I want to be a part of."
She and her husband, along with another sister were baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost not many days later.
But as for a mute, I believe they can speak in tongues too...you won't hear it though.
Ding, ding.
This is what I believe.
When I received the Holy Ghost, I spoke in tongues. Is that the absolutely only possible initial evidence of the Holy Ghost? I don't know. All I know is that what I experienced was real, and anyone telling me it wasn't had just as well tell me that I cannot give birth to a child. Sorry, I've done it, so all I'll do is look at you and shrug. Whatever you think.
I believe that a person without a tongue, or a mute person, can receive the Holy Ghost exactly the same way I did. WE just won't hear the tongues. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that those around you must hear the tongues, or you didn't get the Holy Ghost. How do we know they got it? Why do we have to? They'll know.
The one-step or three-step thing is a totally separate issue.
When I received the Holy Ghost, I spoke in tongues. Is that the absolutely only possible initial evidence of the Holy Ghost? I don't know. All I know is that what I experienced was real, and anyone telling me it wasn't had just as well tell me that I cannot give birth to a child. Sorry, I've done it, so all I'll do is look at you and shrug. Whatever you think.
I believe that a person without a tongue, or a mute person, can receive the Holy Ghost exactly the same way I did. WE just won't hear the tongues. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that those around you must hear the tongues, or you didn't get the Holy Ghost. How do we know they got it? Why do we have to? They'll know.
The one-step or three-step thing is a totally separate issue.
Till now, I thought you were a guy (no offense), which makes the bolded part above quite hilarious!
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