What shall I do with this word - "Wear"?

[Pressing-On]

Why am I on this subject? I was recently in a service where the speaker said that a woman looks like a w**** if she doesn't wear a dress. Sadly, a young woman present was the only one wearing pants, besides the men - ouch!

I then decided, since I knew the girl that was present and I knew she wasn't a whore - what exactly would I teach on this issue knowing I must answer to God for that woman's soul - if it were my responsibility? Or better yet, would I stand emphatically on what I have been taught concerning Deut 22:5 and say it is speaking of pants? Very interesting what I found.

I've listed all definitions, below for the word "wear" used in the OT with pertaining scriptures referenced above each Strong's definition.

The definition for the word "wear", hâyâh - 1961, in Deut 22:5 is used one time and only in this passage. It does not mean to simply put on clothing. In the broad sense it means" to exist or become". It also comes from another primary root - hava havah - 1933 - "to breathe, in the sense of existence".

Therefore, I believe the passage in Deut 22:5 is speaking of homosexuality and not simply "putting on some clothing". It implies a deeper meaning.

The normal use of the word "wear", lâbash lâbêsh- 3847, "to put on a garment" is only referred to in Deut 22:11, Esther 6:8, Isaiah 4:1, and Zechariah 14:4. See definition below.

None of this study leads me away from the issue of modesty. Tight jeans are immodest. What I do want to do is avoid using a scripture, erroneously, to support a doctrine I want to stand for.

In other words, I cannot and will not look at someone in the face and say they are going to hell for wearing pants or that they are a w****, but I will tell them they will struggle spiritually if they do not follow the tenets of the NT teachings concerning modesty.


Deut 22:5
H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

H1933
הוה הוא
hâvâ' hâvâh
haw-vaw', haw-vaw'
A primitive root (compare H183, H1961) supposed to mean properly to breathe; to be (in the sense of existence): - be, X have.



Deut 22:11
Esther 6:8
Isaiah 4:1
Zechariah 14:4

H3847
לבשׁ לבשׁ
lâbash lâbêsh
law-bash', law-bashe'
A primitive root; properly wrap around, that is, (by implication) to put on a garment or clothe (oneself, or another), literally or figuratively: - (in) apparel, arm, array (self), clothe (self), come upon, put (on, upon), wear.


Exodus 18:18

H5034
נבל
nâbêl
naw-bale'
A primitive root; to wilt; generally to fall away, fail, faint; figuratively to be foolish or (morally) wicked; causatively to despise, disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, -ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly, come to nought, X surely, make vile, wither.


I Sam 2:28
I Sam 22:18

H5375
נסה נשׂא
nâśâ' nâsâh
naw-saw', naw-saw'
A primitive root; to lift, in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively, absolutely and relatively: - accept, advance, arise, (able to, [armour], suffer to) bear (-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honourable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield.

Job 14:19

H7833
שׁחק
shâchaq
shaw-khak'
A primitive root; to comminute (by trituration or attrition): - beat, wear.

Just say that she should ignore people who compare her to whores... and that all he has is tradition which he mistakenly believes he received as a revelation from God. Discount everything he says on any subject and find another church.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Just say that she should ignore people who compare her to whores... and that all he has is tradition which he mistakenly believes he received as a revelation from God. Discount everything he says on any subject and find another church.

Or do like some and don't go to church at all?




I think calling women bad names does little to prompt postitive response in the hearer!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Just say that she should ignore people who compare her to w****... and that all he has is tradition which he mistakenly believes he received as a revelation from God. Discount everything he says on any subject and find another church.

LOL!

I think the speaker has been taught this and needs a chance to find out he is wrong on his definition.

Settling on "modesty" is so much easier, because really, that would discount the wearing of a lot of pants on women.

But, the point is - Deut 22:5 is not speaking of pants, so get to the issue - modesty.

[Subdued]

It's refreshing to know that someone actually studied this scripture! Very good post, PO.

[DividedThigh]

how could anyone be so insensitive and self righteous to say something like that, oh yeah that is some real love, what happened to loving people even if they arent in the church, my heart is hurting right now for that young lady, if i was the pastor and someone said that in my pulpit, that would be the last time, i had to do damage control for what they say, dt

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Or do like some and don't go to church at all?




I think calling women bad names does little to prompt postitive response in the hearer!

Yes, BOOM, especially when they have just received the Holy Ghost and don't understand things about modesty, coming from the worldly mindset.

It is much more powerful, in my eyes, to see God change a person by their own relationship with Him.

If we teach His Word the way He wants it taught we fall in love and we worship and grow.

God has never been ugly to me, even when He corrected me in prayer.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

how could anyone be so insensitive and self righteous to say something like that, oh yeah that is some real love, what happened to loving people even if they arent in the church, my heart is hurting right now for that young lady, if i was the pastor and someone said that in my pulpit, that would be the last time, i had to do damage control for what they say, dt

Thank you, DT, BUT the definition is huge and glaring. I'd like some input on that.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Subdued

It's refreshing to know that someone actually studied this scripture! Very good post, PO.

Thanks, Subdued. Hope you all have been doing well!

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Why am I on this subject? I was recently in a service where the speaker said that a woman looks like a w**** if she doesn't wear a dress. Sadly, a young woman present was the only one wearing pants, besides the men - ouch!

I then decided, since I knew the girl that was present and I knew she wasn't a whore - what exactly would I teach on this issue knowing I must answer to God for that woman's soul - if it were my responsibility? Or better yet, would I stand emphatically on what I have been taught concerning Deut 22:5 and say it is speaking of pants? Very interesting what I found.

I've listed all definitions, below for the word "wear" used in the OT with pertaining scriptures referenced above each Strong's definition.

The definition for the word "wear", hâyâh - 1961, in Deut 22:5 is used one time and only in this passage. It does not mean to simply put on clothing. In the broad sense it means" to exist or become". It also comes from another primary root - hava havah - 1933 - "to breathe, in the sense of existence".

Therefore, I believe the passage in Deut 22:5 is speaking of homosexuality and not simply "putting on some clothing". It implies a deeper meaning.

The normal use of the word "wear", lâbash lâbêsh- 3847, "to put on a garment" is only referred to in Deut 22:11, Esther 6:8, Isaiah 4:1, and Zechariah 14:4. See definition below.

None of this study leads me away from the issue of modesty. Tight jeans are immodest. What I do want to do is avoid using a scripture, erroneously, to support a doctrine I want to stand for.

In other words, I cannot and will not look at someone in the face and say they are going to hell for wearing pants or that they are a w****, but I will tell them they will struggle spiritually if they do not follow the tenets of the NT teachings concerning modesty.


Deut 22:5
H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

H1933
הוה הוא
hâvâ' hâvâh
haw-vaw', haw-vaw'
A primitive root (compare H183, H1961) supposed to mean properly to breathe; to be (in the sense of existence): - be, X have.



Deut 22:11
Esther 6:8
Isaiah 4:1
Zechariah 14:4

H3847
לבשׁ לבשׁ
lâbash lâbêsh
law-bash', law-bashe'
A primitive root; properly wrap around, that is, (by implication) to put on a garment or clothe (oneself, or another), literally or figuratively: - (in) apparel, arm, array (self), clothe (self), come upon, put (on, upon), wear.


Exodus 18:18

H5034
נבל
nâbêl
naw-bale'
A primitive root; to wilt; generally to fall away, fail, faint; figuratively to be foolish or (morally) wicked; causatively to despise, disgrace: - disgrace, dishonour, lightly esteem, fade (away, -ing), fall (down, -ling, off), do foolishly, come to nought, X surely, make vile, wither.


I Sam 2:28
I Sam 22:18

H5375
נסה נשׂא
nâśâ' nâsâh
naw-saw', naw-saw'
A primitive root; to lift, in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively, absolutely and relatively: - accept, advance, arise, (able to, [armour], suffer to) bear (-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honourable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield.

Job 14:19

H7833
שׁחק
shâchaq
shaw-khak'
A primitive root; to comminute (by trituration or attrition): - beat, wear.

good post press, i have been in the church almost 40 years and have heard thousands of messages, and that is the most ignorant , hateful thing i have ever heard, dt sad for the world,