Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by n david

Lee Stoneking did not claim to baptize these women. He was told this happened by someone he knew.

Had Lee Stoneking claimed he personally baptized, or was even present, when it occurred, that would have been a lie.

Simply relaying a story you've been told by someone you know is not telling a lie, else every single one of us would be guilty.

Since you claim Stoneking is a liar because he made the mistake of believing this story and sharing it while he preached, I guess all the Pastors and ministers who believed the Jewish Revival story are all liars as well.

Once again, in trying to bust a preacher for lying, you've lied yourself and libeled him in the process. Stoneking did not lie about this. He did not claim to baptize these women. He simply repeated something which was told to him. That is NOT lying.

A decent person would acknowledge this and apologize, but I know you won't.

Instead of make posts accusing these ministers of lying, you should work on your own issues of lying. In this thread alone you've lied, falsely accused, libeled and misled with your claims and accusations.

Not sure why Admin allows you to continue to do this.

A decent person would retract the story but a slimy snake oil salesman wont. I dont owe an apology unless it is proven to be true. You prove this true, and I will apologize. So far you have done nothing but justify improper actions that are posted in actual context and in black and white.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

He preached that it happened. It did not. Therefore he preached about an untrue and imaginary event.

He believe it was true. He did not lie.

You cannot accuse a man of lying simply for repeating a story he was told by someone whom he knows and trusts. That is NOT lying.

You are libeling a man for simply believing something he was told and telling others about it.

You need to stop with this accusation. YOU are libeling and falsely accusing this man of lying.

I have no problem with you criticizing him for repeating a story without verifying the facts. But you cannot continue to claim he's a liar because of this.

Same with the story about the miners hearing voices from hell. That has been repeated by many ministers. None of them claimed to hear it themselves. Were they wrong for not verifying the story? Sure, they should have done more research. But are they lying about it? Absolutely not.

Admin should not allow you to continue libeling Stoneking like this.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

A decent person would retract the story but a slimy snake oil salesman wont. I dont owe an apology unless it is proven to be true. You prove this true, and I will apologize. So far you have done nothing but justify improper actions that are posted in actual context and in black and white.

You do owe an apology. You've libeled a man and falsely accused him of lying when he did not lie.

Also, I've never met Stoneking personally, but I've heard him preach and walked past him a few times at a conference. He's not slimy. He's also not a snake oil salesman. More libelous lies from you.

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by n david

You do owe an apology. You've libeled a man and falsely accused him of lying when he did not lie.

Also, I've never met Stoneking personally, but I've heard him preach and walked past him a few times at a conference. He's not slimy. He's also not a snake oil salesman. More libelous lies from you.

Maybe the Islam dude is mad that the subject was Osama bin Laden
(the murderous devil)??? Maybe he's mad that more and more evil is coming out of islam like the reports of the animalistic treatment of women - kidnaping children - rape - beheadings -killing one another.. ect....

[n david]

I'm friends with several Pastors/Evangelists who heard the Jewish Revival lie and told it to their congregations in spite of me cautioning them. They told me they knew the man and he was a District Superintendent and wouldn't lie about something like that.

After it came out that it was a lie, did I accuse them of lying? Of course not! Was I disappointed and upset they fell for the lie? Sure I was. But I don't question their credibility or character because they believed someone they knew, and trusted he was telling the truth.

Same with Stoneking. You can't judge him and say he lacks credibility or character simply because he believed someone he knew, and trusted this person was telling him the truth. And you certainly cannot accuse him of lying.

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by n david

I'm friends with several Pastors/Evangelists who heard the Jewish Revival lie and told it to their congregations in spite of me cautioning them. They told me they knew the man and he was a District Superintendent and wouldn't lie about something like that.

After it came out that it was a lie, did I accuse them of lying? Of course not! Was I disappointed and upset they fell for the lie? Sure I was. But I don't question their credibility or character because they believed someone they knew, and trusted he was telling the truth.

Same with Stoneking. You can't judge him and say he lacks credibility or character simply because he believed someone he knew, and trusted this person was telling him the truth. And you certainly cannot accuse him of lying.

Did the originator of the story post any apology???

[n david]

Originally Posted by Thinker

Did the originator of the story post any apology???

None that I read. He may have apologized individually to some people, but there was no apology posted of which I'm aware. Rev. Kenneth Haney was the General Superintendent when this happened. He sent a minister to speak with this man, and afterwards he sent a letter out to all the UPCI licensed ministers requesting they stop repeating the story because it was untrue.

[Thinker]

Originally Posted by n david

None that I read. He may have apologized individually to some people, but there was no apology posted of which I'm aware. Rev. Kenneth Haney was the General Superintendent when this happened. He sent a minister to speak with this man, and afterwards he sent a letter out to all the UPCI licensed ministers requesting they stop repeating the story because it was untrue.

Stoneking's ministry seems to focus on building faith for the miraculous.. and in the past he has received and communicated some reports that are questioned but i have noticed he has been much more careful as of late....

Life is a journey of learning from mistakes.. We are all trying to be better people (i hope) I want to live a life of forgiveness and restoration. I hope to receive the same from the Lord.. I don't understand the malicious intent of some people
Galatians 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

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[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Thinker

Maybe the Islam dude is mad that the subject was Osama bin Laden
(the murderous devil)??? Maybe he's mad that more and more evil is coming out of islam like the reports of the animalistic treatment of women - kidnaping children - rape - beheadings -killing one another.. ect....

more likely he is weary of people who think they are following Christ, yet always seem to be leading with their index finger...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Thinker

Yes
we already quoted wilson statement he said " he sees that it was not wise But his intentions were not to deceive"

I'm not worried about the rest. Why won't you answer my simple question?

What are the facts and captions and timelines regarding that picture.




So far the only timeline I have seen is Wii's?

1. There were posts on (facebook or twitter) regarding his ministry at the UN.

2. He then posted a picture that he labeled service which was actually a picture of a service that wasn't his. And really it all depends on context at this point. Was he posting this picture and making it clear that it wasn't his service? Or did he post the picture with no indicators that it wasn't of his service?

3. The next year a video that included highlights of his ministry was produced and that same picture was shown in that video. Was that picture indicated as being just a picture of the building he was preaching at? Or was nothing again stated to imply that this picture wasn't of his service?

4. Sometime around a year after the picture was first posted someone discovered that it was actually not a picture of his service and posted this fact.

5. He then apologized for "posting a picture" to show the church building where he was having his services at and stating that he realized that was a mistake?


Can you fill in the details and the few questions I have left and/or tell me where this timeline is wrong?