ILG - Vaccine Hysteria

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vaccines become effective when enough members of a community vaccinate their children, a concept called “herd immunity.” Because a miniscule percentage of children in a community remain immune to a vaccine, rendering it ineffective, to keep the community safe from measles, for example, requires at least 92% of the children of a community to be vaccinated.

Originally Posted by Esaias

If vaccinations keep people safe from disease, how can a non-vaccinated child possibly be a threat to vaccinated children?

Oh, wait... the threat isn't medical, it's something far more dangerous. It's ideology.

Their explanation is that vaccines are only effective if enough community members vaccinate their children - herd immunity - and that because a very small percentage of children remain immune to a vaccine in a community, rendering the vaccine ineffective, they need 92% of the children to be vaccinated in a community to keep that community safe.

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Originally Posted by ILG

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3818418.html

So, the person is a US citizen returning home from India. I would need to know the person's medical history as to whether they had ever been vaccinated for the measles. In many cases the vaccinated person is the cause of spreading the measles to everyone else.

Pastor Terri Copeland Pearsons said that she didn't share her father's fears regarding vaccinations - she is not against them. She is not in favor of "bundling" and has a concern for any family that has a history of Autism.

[shazeep]

there is actually another moral consideration regarding vaccinations, in understanding that diseases attack the weak, and serve a purpose. As harsh as that sounds, there is an element of "human good" in vaccinations, whether or not they have gone rogue as i suspect (that's a lot of mercury in one vacc; and to do many at once? in a little kid? c'mon)

one could easily argue that paying better attention to the immune system would produce more wholesome results, imo.
hmm i guess it could even be argued that one interferes with God's will here? dunno. does anyone adhere to this?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So, the person is a US citizen returning home from India. I would need to know the person's medical history as to whether they had ever been vaccinated for the measles. In many cases the vaccinated person is the cause of spreading the measles to everyone else.

Pastor Terri Copeland Pearsons said that she didn't share her father's fears regarding vaccinations - she is not against them. She is not in favor of "bundling" and has a concern for any family that has a history of Autism.

Sounds reasonable to me.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

vaccines become effective when enough members of a community vaccinate their children, a concept called “herd immunity.” Because a miniscule percentage of children in a community remain immune to a vaccine, rendering it ineffective, to keep the community safe from measles, for example, requires at least 92% of the children of a community to be vaccinated.



Their explanation is that vaccines are only effective if enough community members vaccinate their children - herd immunity - and that because a very small percentage of children remain immune to a vaccine in a community, rendering the vaccine ineffective, they need 92% of the children to be vaccinated in a community to keep that community safe.

Their explanation makes no sense. If vaccination makes a person immune, then a non vaccinated person can't be a threat to them.

What they are implying is if enough people refuse their shots, all the vaccines will magically cease working and everybody will die.

What thy MEAN however is "if too many people reject vaccines we won't make any money".

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Originally Posted by shazeep

there is actually another moral consideration regarding vaccinations, in understanding that diseases attack the weak, and serve a purpose. As harsh as that sounds, there is an element of "human good" in vaccinations, whether or not they have gone rogue as i suspect (that's a lot of mercury in one vacc; and to do many at once? in a little kid? c'mon)

one could easily argue that paying better attention to the immune system would produce more wholesome results, imo.
hmm i guess it could even be argued that one interferes with God's will here? dunno. does anyone adhere to this?

Originally Posted by ILG

Sounds reasonable to me.

I think that parents should always be the decision maker. A Vaccine Titer Test can be ordered to determine the level of anti-bodies in the bloodstream:

https://www.directlabs.com/tenpenny/...S/Default.aspx

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Their explanation makes no sense. If vaccination makes a person immune, then a non vaccinated person can't be a threat to them.

What they are implying is if enough people refuse their shots, all the vaccines will magically cease working and everybody will die.

What thy MEAN however is "if too many people reject vaccines we won't make any money".

I agree. It doesn't make sense. And it is about the money.

FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)
Topic: Mercury (Thimerosal) in Vaccines Mercury in Vaccines

Q: Is it true that all the mercury has been removed from vaccines? How much mercury is in the flu shot and other recommended vaccines? Should I go out of my way to find a thimerosal-free flu shot and where can I find one?


Manufacturers began voluntarily removing Thimerosal from pediatric vaccines around 2000. It is assumed that most pediatric vaccines containing Thimerosal were “off the shelves” by 2003. (No vaccines were recalled.) Even so, most infants are still routinely given Thimerosal-containing influenza vaccine even though there are Thimerosal-free and vaccines with trace amounts of Thimerosal. Infants receiving a Thimerosal-containing influenza vaccine are dosed at 6 months with 12.5 mcg of ethyl mercury and at 7 months with an additional 12.5 mcg. Adult Thimerosal-containing vaccines contain roughly 25mcg. These Thimerosal-containing version exceed federal safety guidelines mentioned earlier.
http://www.nvic.org/faqs/mercury-thimerosal.aspx

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Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

This has been a great thread to peruse. My now 23 year old son was vaccinated till I pulled him out of school after 5th grade to homeschool him. He wasn't vaccinated because of school. I don't remember vaccinations being an issue back then as they are now. I never saw discussion about it. If I did it all over again, I would not vaccinate him at all because of the things I have learned in the past several years about them (ingredients) and the fact that they have added so many more vaccinations to the schedule. Additionally, it always makes me wary when people like Bill Gates (an eugenicist) pushes them. Then to watch the hysteria that the elite-bought media promotes.... Well, I just don't trust them.

At my firm, we had a client's day care center call looking to see if they could deny care to a child who was not vaccinated. I thought it was insane. As if this child were going to bring plagues to the day care or something.... Anyway, in the State of Louisiana you cannot force a parent to vaccinate their children. At least that's the law as of now. However, I would not be surprised if they pass a Federal law saying elsewise.

With all the fearful responses online, meaning anger displayed by the fear, I can see that happening as well. When the government took control of our healthcare via the IRS, the writing was on the wall.

I was just remembering when my children had the German Measles, and understanding that parakeets are very susceptible to sickness, their parakeet subsequently died. I heard my daughter scream and ran into the room to see what in the world had happened. I still have it's written eulogy.

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Originally Posted by n david

Question:
I was going to submit a report on VAERS; however, since I don't believe the vaccine caused the infection, and since "low grade" fevers are listed as a possible side effect, should I still report the 101.7 degree fever?

Reporting and Searching for Vaccine Reactions
No vaccine is 100 percent safe for everyone. Vaccine reactions, injuries and deaths are real and by federal law vaccine adverse events must be reported to federal health officials. Click here learn more about reporting serious health problems following vaccination, how to view federal vaccine reaction reports, and the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).

Report Vaccine Reactions. It's the Law!


This webpage provides the public with the ability to search and analyze data on vaccine reactions and links for reporting vaccine adverse events.

NVIC worked with Congress to pass the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 and was responsible for urging the creation of safety provisions in that historic law. This included a centralized vaccine reaction reporting system, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), that is jointly operated by the federal Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Centers for Disease Control (CDC).

Although this law requires doctors and other vaccine providers to report hospitalizations, injuries, deaths and serious health problems following vaccination to VAERS, it is estimated that less than 10 percent, perhaps less than one percent of all vaccine-related health problems are ever reported to VAERS.

As a society we need to know how many people who get vaccinated are getting sick after vaccination and how many go on to die or are permanently injured. It is very important that ALL serious health problems, which develop after vaccination, be reported to VAERS. You should make a vaccine adverse event report to VAERS if you or your child has regressed physically, mentally or emotionally after vaccination or has experienced acute symptoms within hours, days or weeks of vaccination.

Please visit our Ask 8, If You Vaccinate webpage for information on vaccine reaction symptoms and our injury compensation webpage to learn more about filing an injury claim.
http://www.nvic.org/reportreaction.aspx

Reporting Vaccine Failure
No vaccine is 100 percent effective for everyone. Vaccines don't always prevent disease. Vaccine failures and vaccine strain infections do occur. It is important to understand that vaccinated persons can still get infectious diseases, as well as transmit them to others. Click here learn more about vaccine failures, and here to read stories shared by others.

Vaccine Harassment Reporting
Have you been threatened or sanctioned by your employer, doctor, school personnel or public health official for delaying or declining a vaccine for yourself or your child? Click here to view harassment stories on our Cry for Vaccine Freedom Wall and here to post your story about vaccine harassment.

The International Memorial for Vaccine Victims

This virtual memorial is dedicated to those whose lives have been forever changed by vaccines. They are the men, women and children who have been injured or died from vaccines that they were often required by law to use. Click here to visit the Memorial for Vaccine Victims and/or to create a memorial for your loved one.

http://www.nvic.org/reporting-systems.aspx

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Reporting and Searching for Vaccine Reactions
No vaccine is 100 percent safe for everyone. Vaccine reactions, injuries and deaths are real and by federal law vaccine adverse events must be reported to federal health officials. Click here learn more about reporting serious health problems following vaccination, how to view federal vaccine reaction reports, and the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).


Reporting Vaccine Failure
No vaccine is 100 percent effective for everyone. Vaccines don't always prevent disease. Vaccine failures and vaccine strain infections do occur. It is important to understand that vaccinated persons can still get infectious diseases, as well as transmit them to others. Click here learn more about vaccine failures, and here to read stories shared by others.

Vaccine Harassment Reporting
Have you been threatened or sanctioned by your employer, doctor, school personnel or public health official for delaying or declining a vaccine for yourself or your child? Click here to view harassment stories on our Cry for Vaccine Freedom Wall and here to post your story about vaccine harassment.

The International Memorial for Vaccine Victims

This virtual memorial is dedicated to those whose lives have been forever changed by vaccines. They are the men, women and children who have been injured or died from vaccines that they were often required by law to use. Click here to visit the Memorial for Vaccine Victims and/or to create a memorial for your loved one.

http://www.nvic.org/reporting-systems.aspx

PO, since you posted this, I decided to report my experience. You can see it here feb 14 http://www.nvic.org/Forms/Cry-For-Va...edom-Wall.aspx