ILG - Vaccine Hysteria

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

.the good doctor said " voices shrieking to forcibly vaccinate people"...I didn't deny anyone "shrieks"

And whether they shrieked or not, that sounds more like an attempt to muddy the waters than present an objective case. Its pejorative. It feeds into the mentality of people who frequent WND and other such publications

Study Logical fallacies

I rarely click on the WND link, but someone sent me the article and I posted it here because I have read the same information she put out. Dr. Lee Hieb is also a Libertarian which will explain why she doesn't want the government overreach.

Dr. Lee Hieb served as a general orthopedic surgeon at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina; was the first and only female Louis A. Goldstein fellow of Spinal Surgery at the University of Rochester; is a past president of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons; and is an outspoken advocate for free-market medicine. Dr. Hieb has been a contributor to HumanEvents.com and writes a weekly column for WND.com. She enjoys her two sons and a healthy rural lifestyle in Logan, Iowa.

They are shrieking all over the media with this vaccine hysteria.

I don't always listen to Rush Limbaugh either, but I agree with him here:

So Romney finally answered it, and that gave birth to the War on Women. There was no War on Women, and now this vaccination thing has popped up. It's another attempt at re-creating the War on Women. This is designed to destroy Republicans, particularly Republicans running for president, by creating a phony debate over vaccinations, a debate that does not exist, a controversy that was not alive. And, all of a sudden, now the Drive-By daily soap opera theme or meme today is a debate between Christie and Rand Paul and others in the Republican primary field over whether or not vaccinations should be mandatory, while nobody's even talking about why we need them.

What's being set up here, there are some Republican parents who don't want to have to vaccinate their kids. They don't want the government to have that kind of power. So Republicans are once again being set up as anti-government, anti-health, all this stuff. There's another reason why this is happening, folks, and that's to cover up Mrs. Clinton.

If you go back and look, Mrs. Clinton -- maybe one of my crack researchers will do this -- if you go back and look, Mrs. Clinton has plenty of anti-mandatory vaccination statements that she's made on the record over the course of many years. I mean, she's been on both sides of this. She wanted vaccinations to be mass manufactured, mass distributed, and she did have a period of time where they mandated everybody should have them. And other times she's been on the other side of it, too.

Meanwhile, if you do some research, you find out it was both Obama and Hillary who were out there spreading this idea that certain vaccines might lead to autism, and they were cautioning against mass vaccination. They're the ones doing it. They're the ones that are on record as being opposed to mass vaccines whenever government says you must have it. Hillary has been on both sides because she and her husband, at the same time, have been on the financial good side of mass-vaccine manufacture and sale and import. What a convoluted mess.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20...w_war_on_women

[Pressing-On]

Dr. Lee Hieb has a 12 part series regarding Government Regulations and Obamacare. February 13, 2013

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N David, how are things going today?

[ILG]

Hey PO!

Yes, I have very mixed feelings regarding vaccines but lean against them. My kids were fully vaccinated but if I had it to do over, I would at the very least do it more slowly than recommended and at the very most, not vaccinate at all.

I did forego the Hep B for both my kids when they were young until we moved to WI and they had to get it for school. (Didn't really know my choices)

There are so many things to consider concerning vaccines. Have you read The Virus and the Vaccine? http://www.amazon.com/The-Virus-Vacc.../dp/0312342721 It has been kept SO quiet that the polio vaccine was proven to contain a cancer causing virus.

The MMR is cultured from a cell line derived from aborted fetuses. On a very quick search ( I give no backing for or against this site) https://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf and according to this site it looks like there are a lot more of them

The autism debate rages about the MMR. CDC says no correlation but if there were a proven correlation there would be mutiny.

Manufacturers CANNOT BE SUED if anything goes wrong!! No accountability!!

Some feel that vaccines are being used to produce infertility.

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Originally Posted by n david

Tired and upset. Being told my daughter is going to be admitted into the hospital. They've ordered a spinal tap and said they found white blood cells in her urine, indicative of a UTI. They say none of the vaccines could have caused this.

The link below, from the National Institute of Health makes me skeptical as it appears there may indeed be a link between the Dtap vaccine and UTI.

Source Link

Boy, I'd be skeptical too!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by n david

Tired and upset. Being told my daughter is going to be admitted into the hospital. They've ordered a spinal tap and said they found white blood cells in her urine, indicative of a UTI. They say none of the vaccines could have caused this.

The link below, from the National Institute of Health makes me skeptical as it appears there may indeed be a link between the Dtap vaccine and UTI.

Source Link

ND - wow, I am SO sorry to hear about this! I will certainly spend time in prayer for your family after going through this. Make your voice known. Don't back down from the doctors and those who would try to tell you otherwise. I will be praying that the Lord touches your little girl with no untoward effects from this!!!!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by ILG

Hey PO!

Yes, I have very mixed feelings regarding vaccines but lean against them. My kids were fully vaccinated but if I had it to do over, I would at the very least do it more slowly than recommended and at the very most, not vaccinate at all.

I did forego the Hep B for both my kids when they were young until we moved to WI and they had to get it for school. (Didn't really know my choices)

There are so many things to consider concerning vaccines. Have you read The Virus and the Vaccine? http://www.amazon.com/The-Virus-Vacc.../dp/0312342721 It has been kept SO quiet that the polio vaccine was proven to contain a cancer causing virus.

The MMR is cultured from a cell line derived from aborted fetuses. On a very quick search ( I give no backing for or against this site) https://www.cogforlife.org/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf and according to this site it looks like there are a lot more of them

The autism debate rages about the MMR. CDC says no correlation but if there were a proven correlation there would be mutiny.

Manufacturers CANNOT BE SUED if anything goes wrong!! No accountability!!

Some feel that vaccines are being used to produce infertility.

That one point right there puts up a HUGE red flag as to what is really going on.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

That one point right there puts up a HUGE red flag as to what is really going on.

For sure!

[n david]

Originally Posted by ILG

N David, how are things going today?

She's been admitted. Blood test was good. The urine test had white blood cells indicating possible UTI. They did a culture which takes 2-3 days. They also did a spinal tap which went well, thank God. Fluid was clear, which is a good thing. Her heart rate, I was told, should be around 140-150, was in the 180-220 range when we first got in the staging room. Thankfully, that it has come down and remained in the normal range.

Still in an ER staging room (since 11:45pm last night), waiting for a room to open upstairs.

She had an IV put just below her wrist. Unfortunately, the first line didn't work - couldn't hit the vein. So they had to do the other arm.

They have her on two antibiotics, Ampicillin and Cefotaxime.

She's been sleeping well since the spinal tap.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Praying for you and yours.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am sorry to see this and will be praying for your daughter as well as you and your family.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

ND - wow, I am SO sorry to hear about this! I will certainly spend time in prayer for your family after going through this. Make your voice known. Don't back down from the doctors and those who would try to tell you otherwise. I will be praying that the Lord touches your little girl with no untoward effects from this!!!!

Thank you all.