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Old 11-01-2010, 05:41 PM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan

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Dan, I gave you scriptural reasons for premise #1 in post #183.

Here is why I believe premise #2 Remission of sins takes place at water baptism in Jesus name:

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

I believe the "eis"/for is with a view toward remission of sin when taking into account the totality of scripture. Luke wrote repentance and remission of sins should be preached in Jesus name. Not repentance is remission of sins, nor repentance for the remission of sins, but repentance and remission. Two distinctly different things.

When we go to the very first apostolic message preached to unbelievers, we find in Acts 2:38 that baptism is directly linked to remission of sins. I know you want to read it like this and probably do read it with this incorrect understanding: Repent for the remission of sins (how would you define "eis" if this verse is read this way? LOL) and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. I'd like to point you to the DS article Prax posted on this thread http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&postcount=176.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

This verse links the necessity of the name of Christ with receiving remission of sins for those who believe. ( and I don't think the KJV translators were baptismal regenerationists(or Roman Catholics). So there was no conspiracy amongst the KJV translators to try to introduce their soterlogical views into the scriptures when translating. I think it's significant that the only place in Acts 2:38, (Peter's response to " Men and brethren, what shall we do"), where remission of sins is connected to Jesus name is in regards to water baptism.

Acts 10: 4-6... Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.

Acts 10:33 Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

Acts 10:43-48 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.

What are all the things that Peter preached which were commanded of God? Peter preached the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. He didn't even get to repentance when the Holy Spirit fell on the listeners. Yet immediately after they received the Holy Spirit, baptism was COMMANDED IN JESUS NAME. What had Peter said a few minutes earlier about remission of sins THROUGH the name of the Lord? Peter isn't preaching or doing anything different here than he did in Acts 2:38. The message is the same, just rearranged a little.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Hmmm, again we see baptism, washing away of sins (remission) and the name of the Lord all in one verse, all linked directly together. The command is to be baptized and wash away your sins while calling on the name of the Lord (this is not the same as authority). Notice the urgency of being baptised immediately after receiving the Holy Spirit? If Paul had received remission of sins on the Damascus road when he believed and repented, then this whole verse doesn't make sense.

It seems clear to me that baptism washes/remits sins when done in Jesus name.

And the verse that ties both premises together:

1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.


The Spirit applies the blood to remove the body of sins in the water of baptism to a penitant believer.
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