Acts 2:38 - Page 4

Sabby · #31 10-20-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

The underlined portion....Acts 2 :38 was not the original "message" the message was the original message. Acts 2:38 was a response to that message. It wasn't the "seeking sous" that asked what shall we do. It was saved folk that asked, "now what"

Right On!

Sabby · #32 10-21-2010, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam

So, what does "repent" really mean?

Acts 2:38, repent (metanoeo) and be baptised...this word repent means literally to think differently or to reconsider

Sounds like Peter was actually entreating these people instead of bashing them. The implication is that his sermon exposed the guilt to the Jews, and in a nutshell was saying, "Reconsider your rejection of Jesus. Think differently about it, change your mind about Jesus and believe Jesus is who He said He is."

Hoovie · #33 10-21-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I guess it comes down to how one sees it or chooses to see it. But on the other hand it is not evidence that the Spirit didn't begin to dwell in them. The deal about Agrippa was that we wasn't persuaded to be a christian had he been then he would have faired similar to those in Acts 2, IMO.

Had Agrippa been convinced he would have followed through, repented, submitted to baptism, and received the Spirit for sure.

To me it seems a little silly to determine the exact second one is converted... It is made important by some who cannot see the validity of the Acts 2:38 experience of anyone except OPs.

Hoovie · #34 10-21-2010, 12:33 AM

IN German Acts 2:38 says "do repentance and turn from your sin, be baptized...

Jack Shephard · #35 10-21-2010, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Had Agrippa been convinced he would have followed through, repented, submitted to baptism, and received the Spirit for sure.

To me it seems a little silly to determine the exact second one is converted... It is made important by some who cannot see the validity of the Acts 2:38 experience of anyone except OPs.

To determine the exact moment one is saved is kinda petty no matter whether it is via Acts 2 or otherwise because we aren't saved until we get there.

If Agrippa were conveinced he would have converted, but since he didn't it is safe to say that he was not saved at that moment at least. His conversion would mostlikely been Acts 2:21 and not of tongues and baptism to make you saved.

Jack Shephard · #36 10-21-2010, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

IN German Acts 2:38 says "do repentance and turn from your sin, be baptized...

Do repentance and turn from your sin isn't two different things no matter what the Germans say. LOL. Truth is that it is like the law of motion, for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. If someone repents they are turning from sin. They can alwasy turn back to sin, but the act of turning from sin is the equal or opposite react to repentance.

Adam · #37 10-21-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

True. In Acts 2:38 when Pete says repent he is talking about what he pointed to in verse 21, which was a throw-back to Joel 2, But everyone that calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. That is how I see it.

Currently reading Joel 2 and weeping like a baby.

Where's Prax with his crybaby award? Hand it over, man, I deserve it.

iceniez · #38 10-21-2010, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

There is many, I am affraid, that will hear that. I grew up hearing that said verse was talking about those that went charismatic. Now I am wondering if that verse is reserved for the religious and pious ones.

I have thought that as well . It is more possible that those who have the entrance qualifications , but did not allow God to know them { or have an influence on them. ie ; led by the Spirit } It could include those who are Self Righteous .....

missourimary · #39 10-21-2010, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by shag

..It is more possible that those who have the entrance qualifications , but did not allow God to know them { or have an influence on them. ie ; led by the Spirit } It could include those who are Self Righteous .....

Especially since self righteous people are apt to serve themselves and not God.

sandie · #40 10-21-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

It sounds as if you are questioning the necessity of the Holy Ghost and to do that you must be able to deal with scriptures like the one in Romans 8 which says that those without the Spirit of Christ are none his. Once you can explain that verse to your own satisfaction then you probably can use that explanation for a basis to answer any other question about the necessity of the Holy Ghost.

I must not have been clear, nothing surprising there...lol
No, I'm not questioning the necessity of the Holy Ghost, I was saving that for later..ha ha.
Really, I've been questioning the water baptisim since there are many without that baptisim who have indeed been baptized in the HG.
Are you saved without the water baptisim in His Name even though you have the HG...this is my question. Hope that makes more sense.
I had the Holy Ghost three years before I was baptized in His Name and know others who have the HG, but are they saved without water baptisim?
Conversly, I know those who have been baptized in His Name, but have not been baptized in the HG.
Can we have one without the other and be saved?