Mooney Guns for "Secret" Meeting in Detroit? - Page 26

Ron · #**251** 07-08-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Ron, Perhaps I need to prepare a Bible study of the office of the Pastor.

Many believe they are the NEW Levite prophets and priests.

I DO believe in pastoral authority. (If you are not willing to follow what your pastor says go somewhere else period.) But NT pastoral authority is very different than what is taught in many of our pulpits. All believers are Royal Priests. The distinctive we often use is to try and divide a line between Clergy and Laity, is a Catholic creation and not found in the NT.

Pastors are the leaders of LOCAL assemblies, not OT prophets and priests.

I agree Pastors are not to be put on pedestals & worshiped, but they do have authority nonetheless & if ya want to go after them then I will be the first to tell ya that you are out of Biblical order.

No Catholicism refereed to.

MrMasterMind · #**252** 07-08-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

I agree Pastors are not to be put on pedestals & worshiped, but they do have authority nonetheless & if ya want to go after them then I will be the first to tell ya that you are out of Biblical order.

No Catholicism refereed to.

And once again I agree totally with your reference Saul is going after David, and David is keeping a good spirit about it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GrowingPains · #**253** 07-08-2009, 07:02 PM

The rule of attacking anyone applies across the board, as a violation of Christian virtue. There's nothing fancy about it.

*AQuietPlace* · #**254** 07-08-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

I agree Pastors are not to be put on pedestals & worshiped, but they do have authority nonetheless & if ya want to go after them then I will be the first to tell ya that you are out of Biblical order.

No Catholicism refereed to.

For some reason this never applies when a pastor 'goes liberal'. Then, he's open game.

GrowingPains · #**255** 07-08-2009, 07:04 PM

In general, yes, we do respect authority, elders, etc...

This is why I prefer to stick to issues, not people.

CC1 · #**256** 07-08-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I have only read the first four pages of this thread so probably someone has already pointed this out.

It sounds to me like this is just a case of Paul Mooney positioning himself for a run for GS. You have to convince the base you are solid, steadfast, locked into the UPC traditional views, to have a chance at being elected.

PM is a fine man. One of the nicest big name preachers I have ever met. I had the pleasure of having lunch with him once a year several years in a row and was very impressed. However he is a part of a unique religous culture that demands certain things of it's leaders.

In many ways PM would be a good progressive leader in much the same way KH has been but he will make it clear (and I believe he means it) that he draws the line well short of changing any doctrine or standards.

Ron and Renda's page after page of fussing like an old married couple buried my post so I am bumping it here!

Ron · #**257** 07-08-2009, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

For some reason this never applies when a pastor 'goes liberal'. Then, he's open game.

Where & when do you justify going after a Man of God???
It looks like you are trying to justify it???

I have had a couple of instances whereby men of God have done things that I & others could have caused a "stink" & where in one instance, could have had a license lifted.

God (yup same Holy Ghost you and others have) said to one, let it be, a couple of things could happen, a Minsters family would be hurt, a Church family could get hurt, not to mention untold innocents being hurt & perhaps lost.
Innocents always get hurt or killed when the bullets start flying & everyone loses!
God also said, "Do you fear me? Do not touch mine anointed!"

You guys have no clue!

Ron · #**258** 07-08-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Ron and Renda's page after page of fussing like an old married couple buried my post so I am bumping it here!

Who you calling 'Old?"

MrMasterMind · #**259** 07-08-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Ron and Renda's page after page of fussing like an old married couple buried my post so I am bumping it here!

Yes you are correct and if you read whole thread it HAS been pointed out in several posts that PM is running for office right now. :-)

crakjak · #**260** 07-08-2009, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Don't you think these verses apply to actual sin? Adultery, fornication, stealing, cheating, lying, etc? Paul dealt with churches that were putting up with adultery and fornication and doing nothing about it.

Too often our pulpits are used as places for men to air their personal opinions and grievances. If someone had brought a sinner to this meeting, hoping to introduce them to Jesus, do they need to hear about the in-squabbling of an organization? That might have been the only opportunity some people ever had to be introduced to a Pentecostal church. Hopefully they got a good impression.

I agree that campmeetings are not the place for this.

I call it spiritual incest, and it produces malformed spiritual children and miscarriages. Not that many give a rip what I call it.

Hosea 9:14,16

14Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? ......a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

16...... their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.