Thief on the Cross: A New Covenant Believer?

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by bishoph

With that said, Jesus did not tell him that he (the thief) would be with him (Jesus) in heaven today. To make paradise heaven, would create a theological train-wreck, as we know that Jesus had not yet been to "heaven" three days later when he spoke with Mary after the resurrection. Rather Jesus acknowledged his faith, and imputed it to him as righteousness, otherwise he would not have qualified to go to paradise. This placed him where the shed blood of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world could flow backward, abolishing the sins that had been rolled head in anticipation of this promised redemption.

Thanks.

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

Thanks.

Your Welcome! (I think)

[scotty]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Let me draw this thought that I believe Prax is bring to its natural conclusion. He can correct me if it is not his conclusion.


IF while Abraham was on his way to sacrifice Issac he was run over by a stampede of Camels, God would have counted his faith as full credit for the job done.

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Here is where I lose intrest. In this one sentence we put God in a box. Would God allow Abraham at this point to be stampeded by camels ? NO...so the point is ?

We are splitting hairs as if God can only work within the guidlines that we create...

[staysharp]

Well, who is to say that Paradise was heaven? Many believe Paradise was Abraham's bosom waiting for the resurrection, others believe Paradise to be the holding ground before final judgment ie. the concept of Purgatory.

Was the thief really eternally saved? Maybe he was saved like saving money at the grocery store...less than what it should have been...maybe he went with Jesus to paradise to await his final judgment for his sin? Maybe he was sentenced to a brief stint in "hell" then allowed to meet Peter at the pearly's ultimately reconciled?

Theoretically speaking any of the above could've happened...like most doctrinal errancy formulated by the ignorance of mans assumptive leaps of suppositionial theology.

How's that for input. lol

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Were the people baptized before the death of Christ baptized in the name of Jesus Christ or John's baptism?

Originally Posted by Baron1710

It would make sense that it was in the name of Jesus. The practice was to be baptized in the name of the one you followed.

This is purely speculative.

Besides...
1... There's nothing in scripture that says a man would be "baptized in the name of the one he followed"
2... If that was indeed the case, those baptized by John would have been baptized in the name of John, an idea not found anywhere in scripture. Scripture says those baptized by him were baptized unto repentance. If they were baptized in the name of John, why wouldnt the scripture just say so?
3... Baptism into the name of Jesus was not shown as having taken place at any time before the day of Pentecost. So we really can't go around claiming, or implying, that it took place before then just because we think "it makes sense" to us.