I just talked with "Thomas Fudge"

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

I'm as anonymous here as you are, but, then again, I'm not trying to destroy a man's credibility by insulting his character.

What Thomas Fudge has had to say, he has published publicly, with his name attached. You, on the other hand, are severely denigrating the man from behind a mask.

Thomas Fudge's bias' and attitude are pretty well known, but what about yours? You've set at the table with him, are you part of his ex-wife's family? Did he quote you in his book and embarass you? Did he steal your date in Bible School, or beat you at ping pong?

Step out of the shadows and give us a chance to see if your opinion of the good professor has any substance, or if you're just stomping sour grapes.

Well spoken, Stephanas.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Necker,

I have repeatedly stated that I do not either question or object to the history in the book.

But there is more to the book than just the historical facts presented, beginning with the slanderous and totally inaccurate title.

I agree that the title of the book is over the top! The publishers may have had a hand in deciding to give it such a controversial title.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Stephanas

Eyewitness testimony? Hardly.

It's more in line with an anonymous tip emailed to Thad's Tab.

How are we to receive such bitter accusations, even against an Anglican, from a man behind a mask.

Some of us know who pastorD is, Steph.

Are you calling him a liar?

[PastorD]

Originally Posted by Stephana's

I'm as anonymous here as you are, but, then again, I'm not trying to destroy a man's credibility by insulting his character.

What Thomas Fudge has had to say, he has published publicly, with his name attached. You, on the other hand, are severely denigrating the man from behind a mask.

Thomas Fudge's bias' and attitude are pretty well known, but what about yours? You've set at the table with him, are you part of his ex-wife's family? Did he quote you in his book and embarass you? Did he steal your date in Bible School, or beat you at ping pong?

Step out of the shadows and give us a chance to see if your opinion of the good professor has any substance, or if you're just stomping sour grapes.

I don't know either of TF's ex-wives. He beat me at ping pong . . . you got me. You must be going to next years Prom.

We all enjoy the shadows here. You keep talking to him and before you know it you will hate what he hates.

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Some of us know who pastorD is, Steph.

Are you calling him a liar?

Not at all.

I haven't even suggested that anything he has said is untrue.

All that I have said is that an anonymous report is just that, anonymous.

I didn't respond to defend the Professor. I only posted because it irked me to see a man's character publicly insulted when I have no way to know if the poster making the accusation has any real life credibility.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by PastorD

I don't know either of TF's ex-wives. He beat me at ping pong . . . you got me. You must be going to next years Prom.

We all enjoy the shadows here. You keep talking to him and before you know it you will hate what he hates.

Does Stephanas personally know TF or his family? I'm inclined not to think so.

I guess I'll get the book eventually and find out for myself if there is slander and tearing down of the ministry by TF.

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by PastorD

I don't know either of TF's ex-wives. He beat me at ping pong . . . you got me. You must be going to next years Prom.

We all enjoy the shadows here. You keep talking to him and before you know it you will hate what he hates.

I haven't spent more than five minutes talking to him in the last twenty years.

He may be all that you say he is, but a public forum is a pretty poor place to pass personal judgements.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Bump...testimony from someone who knows Fudge personally.

Does Pastor D know TF personally or simply knows about him? Has he ever personally met or spoken to the man? I am simply looking for confirmation on that point. I have personally met TF and spoken at length with him. I don't like the title of the book and don't agree with everything that TF writes in his book, but I don't understand why anyone feels it necessary to demonize someone simply because they may have a bias and are being critical of an organization.

Through the years I have read many articles and books by UPC authors that not only criticized other groups and their teachings, but even cursed them. Does that mean these authors also should be demonized in the way that TF is being demonized?

What was expressed to me when I spoke with TF was that he simply felt that there was an aspect of UPCI and Oneness history that wasn't being presented and he saw an opportunity to present a more balanced view of what happened. There was no animosity expressed to me. He did feel strongly that the PCI needed to be better represented in the history of oneness. I agreed with that opinion.

[Stephanas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Does Stephanas personally know TF or his family? I'm inclined not to think so.

I guess I'll get the book eventually and find out for myself if there is slander and tearing down of the ministry by TF.

Actually, I have met both him and his family.

Get the book. It's a good read. Read it with Brother Bernard's and Hall's books in one hand and it in the other and you'll get a pretty good view of UPCI history.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Does Pastor D know TF personally or simply knows about him? Has he ever personally met or spoken to the man? I am simply looking for confirmation on that point. I have personally met TF and spoken at length with him. I don't like the title of the book and don't agree with everything that TF writes in his book, but I don't understand why anyone feels it necessary to demonize someone simply because they may have a bias and are being critical of an organization.

Through the years I have read many articles and books by UPC authors that not only criticized other groups and their teachings, but even cursed them. Does that mean these authors also should be demonized in the way that TF is being demonized?

What was expressed to me when I spoke with TF was that he simply felt that there was an aspect of UPCI and Oneness history that wasn't being presented and he saw an opportunity to present a more balanced view of what happened. There was no animosity expressed to me. He did feel strongly that the PCI needed to be better represented in the history of oneness. I agreed with that opinion.

He is connected by family, and has shared holiday meals, etc. with him and heard him discuss the Apostolic movement and our doctrines.

he has personal knowledge of Fudge swaying family to leave Spirit filled churches.

I have never, ever, objected to or questioned the history Fudge has written. I even agree that the story needed to be told.

I just wish he could have done it without the digs at Apostolics sprinkled throughout the book, beginning with the title.