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08-12-2007, 11:01 AM
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Sister Alvear
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While we fight in all these places the enemy is fastly taking over the homefront...they love for us to send or youth away...
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08-12-2007, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
I agree with you...Sorry my opinion differs with most on war and politics...but just one of those things...
Do we kill our spiritual brother just because he is from another country?
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...just because he is from ANOTHER COUNTRY?????????????
I don't remember us killing any Canadians lately. I don't remember us killing very many Brazillians latetly either.
In fact, I don't EVER remember killing another JUST BECAUSE he is from ANOTHER country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good grief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are times that both JUSTICE and RIGHTEOUSNESS and yes, sometimes even CHARITY demand WAR and that has NOTHING to do with just because they are from ANOTHER country.
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08-12-2007, 11:46 AM
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While we fight in all these places the enemy is fastly taking over the homefront...they love for us to send or youth away...
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I do not see that it matters what the enemy loves. What does matter is that there are times that it is absolutley neccessary to send our youth away to war. Thank God we did not send our old men to Germany or to the Pacific in WW II. Neither did we attack the Japanese, Germans or the Italians JUST BECAUSE they were from ANOTHER country.
Justice, righteousness and even CHARITY demanded that we send our youth to war in those days.
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08-12-2007, 01:36 PM
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Lamb Saved & Shepherd Led
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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You are not being ignored.
I am sure everyone responded that found where Jesus gave that approval. How many responded?
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HA! Yes!
Jesus never said His disciples would be known by their fighting one another, but instead by their love one for another. It is hard to give someone a Christian hug with a M-16 slung around your neck.
Since there is no scripture supporting a Christian fighting against or killing an enemy, how could a Christian ever partake in a draft or even what a draft represents?
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08-12-2007, 01:43 PM
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Sister Alvear
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I am sorry but I do not believe that we as Christians should go to war...Maybe I am wrong and I beg your forgiveness but I prayed for none of my sons to serve any man´s army...ONLY the LORD`S ARMY.
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08-12-2007, 02:42 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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I don't know how I feel about this issue. On the one hand, I know it is of utmost importance that we win this war on terrorism. On the other hand, I have my son, who is 15, who may be affected by a reinstatement of the draft.
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08-12-2007, 03:07 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Originally Posted by Brother Strange
I do not see that it matters what the enemy loves. What does matter is that there are times that it is absolutley neccessary to send our youth away to war. Thank God we did not send our old men to Germany or to the Pacific in WW II. Neither did we attack the Japanese, Germans or the Italians JUST BECAUSE they were from ANOTHER country.
Justice, righteousness and even CHARITY demanded that we send our youth to war in those days.
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There aren't too many that would say our involvement in WW2 was was wrong, but Iraq is a different matter. There were even a large number that supported Afghanistan, but not Iraq
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08-12-2007, 04:14 PM
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There aren't too many that would say our involvement in WW2 was was wrong, but Iraq is a different matter. There were even a large number that supported Afghanistan, but not Iraq
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American are a pretty just people overall, having a sense of righteousnes in regards to these matters, by in large.
Our involvement in WWII was just. I do not feel that our involvment in Iraq is just. I was against it from the beginning as I am against it now. I think we were led off into an unjust war upon a people that will not change in this millineum or the next as they have not changed in the millineums past. Iraq did not attack us. Sadaam Hussein, though a mad criminal was the dictator that the people of Iraq installed as their leader. We had no business interferring with their government. Afganistan is a different story. They attacked us on 9-11. It was a just war to go after them...namely Obama though we have not found him yet.
Having said that, I do not think we should ever go to war without a declaration of war by the Congress and ratified by the President...except in very short emergency scrimishes on rare and completely understandable occasions. Case in point: Grenada.
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08-12-2007, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
HA! Yes!
Jesus never said His disciples would be known by their fighting one another, but instead by their love one for another. It is hard to give someone a Christian hug with a M-16 slung around your neck.
Since there is no scripture supporting a Christian fighting against or killing an enemy, how could a Christian ever partake in a draft or even what a draft represents?
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You can love your enemy, asking God to show him the light while bearing the sword against his body, praying for his soul at the same time. I already did. would do it again if callled upon.
He that is not willing to bear the sword to protect home and harth deserves the tyrant that wouild take both away from him. He that will not protect wyfe and offspring from an invading horde by the sword, deserves neither the companion or the offspring of the biological function.
God is not against war. God is ALL FOR WAR when it is just war.
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08-12-2007, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
I am sorry but I do not believe that we as Christians should go to war...Maybe I am wrong and I beg your forgiveness but I prayed for none of my sons to serve any man´s army...ONLY the LORD`S ARMY.
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Sister,
You probably do not appreciate the river of blood that has given you the great, great freedoms that you have, having never been born under the fear, terror and slavery of the tyrrant. You may not appreciate the many thousands of dead who paid the last measure of devotion for your freedom. Maybe your heart does not bleed for the many bereaved loved ones who will go to their graves bearing the burden of their grief from the ultimate sacrifice of love...yes, the love of YOUR freedom. You may not. But, be assured, if no one would have loved you enough to pay the full measure of sacrifice and devotion for you, your life would be much different today.
So, if you think that the Army of the US is not the Lord's army, calling it "man's army," and are not willing to make the same sacrifice for others that has been freely and willingly made for you, I wonder how long it will be before your head and the head of your loved ones are chopped off at the shoulders simply because you are a Christian? Tell me, how long will it take?
I am grieved that you see this the way that you do, but rest assured from someone who knows what he is talking about but Johnny does not go marching off to war to fight against others just because they are from another country.
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