I know nothing of Yeshua apart from the Apostles doctrine. Since Paul who was an Apostle said:
44: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45: And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.1 Cor. 15:44-45
Then who am I that I would believe otherwise?
Since Paul only gives us the option of believing in a natural body (flesh) or a spiritual body (spirit) I can only choose one of the 2 in understanding what body Yeshua now has.
Certainly, I believe the scriptures but I do not see the exclucivity that you are trying to imply that it has. I don't see Paul giving any options here, as you have assumed.
Cetainly a natural body is raised a spiritual body, but not to the exclusion of it being a natural body. The body of Jesus is a natural expression of that. If that body is not a spiritual body, what else would account for the immortality OF THAT BODY? Of course it is becomes a spiritual body.
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You ask who is Yeshua? Well he is the Jewish Messiah. He is the Savior of the World. He is YAH the creator of the Universe manifesting himself to man. Hope that helps!
Since I do not speak Hebrew, have no desire to speak Hebrew, do not understand those who do speak Hebrew, I would only assume that you are speaking of Jesus Christ, my Lord. He is the only Messiah that I know. But, he was NOT a Jewish Messiah. He is THE savior to the whole world.
I refuse to call Jesus by Jewish name. I only speak English. To those that speak Hebrew, I cannot relate unless they speak English, my own tongue.
Certainly, I believe the scriptures but I do not see the exclucivity that you are trying to imply that it has. I don't see Paul giving any options here, as you have assumed.
Cetainly a natural body is raised a spiritual body, but not to the exclusion of it being a natural body. The body of Jesus is a natural expression of that. If that body is not a spiritual body, what else would account for the immortality OF THAT BODY? Of course it is becomes a spiritual body.
Since I do not speak Hebrew, have no desire to speak Hebrew, do not understand those who do speak Hebrew, I would only assume that you are speaking of Jesus Christ, my Lord. He is the only Messiah that I know. But, he was NOT a Jewish Messiah. He is THE savior to the whole world.
I refuse to call Jesus by Jewish name. I only speak English. To those that speak Hebrew, I cannot relate unless they speak English, my own tongue.
Well Paul seems to differentiate between the natural body and the spiritual body. What people generally call a "glorified body" is simply called by Paul a "spiritual body".
A natural body is simply a body of Earth as we now have. At the resurrection I will not have a natural body but a spiritual body.
46: Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1 Cor. 15:46
You refuse to call Jesus by his Hebrew name given to him by an Angel by the command of YAH? Has anyone demanded you do so? You asked me who he is.
Now you are saying he is NOT the Jewish Messiah but the Savior of the world. If you notice I said that he WAS BOTH in my reply to you. If you deny he is the Jewish Messiah I pray he will have mercy on you.
Do you think it would be reasonable to assure that no Jewish people should call Yeshua by the English "Jesus"? When you turn it around you can see how strange what you said is.
No one asked you to use Yeshua. I am elated that I can. If a Jew wants to use Jesus thats great. If a Gentile wants to use Yeshua thats great. Why must there be a war?
Certainly, I believe the scriptures but I do not see the exclucivity that you are trying to imply that it has. I don't see Paul giving any options here, as you have assumed.
Cetainly a natural body is raised a spiritual body, but not to the exclusion of it being a natural body. The body of Jesus is a natural expression of that. If that body is not a spiritual body, what else would account for the immortality OF THAT BODY? Of course it is becomes a spiritual body.
Since I do not speak Hebrew, have no desire to speak Hebrew, do not understand those who do speak Hebrew, I would only assume that you are speaking of Jesus Christ, my Lord. He is the only Messiah that I know. But, he was NOT a Jewish Messiah. He is THE savior to the whole world.
I refuse to call Jesus by Jewish name. I only speak English. To those that speak Hebrew, I cannot relate unless they speak English, my own tongue.
Well Paul seems to differentiate between the natural body and the spiritual body. What people generally call a "glorified body" is simply called by Paul a "spiritual body".
A natural body is simply a body of Earth as we now have. At the resurrection I will not have a natural body but a spiritual body.
46: Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1 Cor. 15:46
You refuse to call Jesus by his Hebrew name given to him by an Angel by the command of YAH? Has anyone demanded you do so? You asked me who he is.
Now you are saying he is NOT the Jewish Messiah but the Savior of the world. If you notice I said that he WAS BOTH in my reply to you. If you deny he is the Jewish Messiah I pray he will have mercy on you.
Do you think it would be reasonable to assure that no Jewish people should call Yeshua by the English "Jesus"? When you turn it around you can see how strange what you said is.
No one asked you to use Yeshua. I am elated that I can. If a Jew wants to use Jesus thats great. If a Gentile wants to use Yeshua thats great. Why must there be a war?
A spiritual body is not spirit, but spiritual. There is a difference. That is where Divine flesh people miss it as Jesus is the Lord from heaven. (BTW: there is no reference here is calling anyone a believer in Divine Flesh). Divine flesh places Jesus glorification at birth, not at glorification after completing his work being resurrected. There is a time that Jesus in the days of His flesh was made Lord and Christ, though He was born Christ the Lord.
There were many things that he had to accomplish in working salvation in and of Himself which ultimately led him to the cross in his tasting death for all of mankind. When all was finished, God made that same Jesus who was crucified both Lord and Christ in glorification...declared to be the Son of God by the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. The body of Jesus is glorified and is divine at present. He is the God of heaven alone...Jesus is the Father, He is the Son of God, He is the Son of man, He is the Word, He is the Holy Ghost..He is all that God Is, the I AM... We shall see the nail prints in his hand...
A spiritual body is not spirit, but spiritual. There is a difference. That is where Divine flesh people miss it as Jesus is the Lord from heaven. (BTW: there is no reference here is calling anyone a believer in Divine Flesh). Divine flesh places Jesus glorification at birth, not at glorification after completing his work being resurrected. There is a time that Jesus in the days of His flesh was made Lord and Christ, though He was born Christ the Lord.
There were many things that he had to accomplish in working salvation in and of Himself which ultimately led him to the cross in his tasting death for all of mankind. When all was finished, God made that same Jesus who was crucified both Lord and Christ in glorification...declared to be the Son of God by the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. The body of Jesus is glorified and is divine at present. He is the God of heaven alone...Jesus is the Father, He is the Son of God, He is the Son of man, He is the Word, He is the Holy Ghost..He is all that God Is, the I AM... We shall see the nail prints in his hand...
Paul contrasts flesh and spirit in various ways.
Natural and spiritual. Earthly and Heavenly. Terrestrial and Celestial.
Which one do angels have? Are there bodies Spiritual, Heavenly, Celestial? If not then what?
A spiritual body is not spirit, but spiritual. There is a difference. That is where Divine flesh people miss it as Jesus is the Lord from heaven. (BTW: there is no reference here is calling anyone a believer in Divine Flesh). Divine flesh places Jesus glorification at birth, not at glorification after completing his work being resurrected. There is a time that Jesus in the days of His flesh was made Lord and Christ, though He was born Christ the Lord.
There were many things that he had to accomplish in working salvation in and of Himself which ultimately led him to the cross in his tasting death for all of mankind. When all was finished, God made that same Jesus who was crucified both Lord and Christ in glorification...declared to be the Son of God by the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. The body of Jesus is glorified and is divine at present. He is the God of heaven alone...Jesus is the Father, He is the Son of God, He is the Son of man, He is the Word, He is the Holy Ghost..He is all that God Is, the I AM... We shall see the nail prints in his hand...
So his body went from from earthly to divine??
I don't got all the answers but I think there has to be something divine when a man can enter the world without a mans sperm being used.
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The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
A spiritual body is not spirit, but spiritual. There is a difference. That is where Divine flesh people miss it as Jesus is the Lord from heaven. (BTW: there is no reference here is calling anyone a believer in Divine Flesh). Divine flesh places Jesus glorification at birth, not at glorification after completing his work being resurrected. There is a time that Jesus in the days of His flesh was made Lord and Christ, though He was born Christ the Lord.
There were many things that he had to accomplish in working salvation in and of Himself which ultimately led him to the cross in his tasting death for all of mankind. When all was finished, God made that same Jesus who was crucified both Lord and Christ in glorification...declared to be the Son of God by the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. The body of Jesus is glorified and is divine at present. He is the God of heaven alone...Jesus is the Father, He is the Son of God, He is the Son of man, He is the Word, He is the Holy Ghost..He is all that God Is, the I AM... We shall see the nail prints in his hand...
So his body went from from earthly to divine??
I don't got all the answers but I think there has to be something divine when a man can enter the world without a mans sperm being used.
A divine act and being divine are two different things.
I believe in the kinosis (Philippians 2:6-10)...that God as Spirit added a human nature to Himself, taking upon Himself the form (morphe) of a servant, made (ginomai) in the likeness of men, fashioned (schema) as a man....after glorification, the man Jesus was glorified with God's own Self, all power in heaven and earth being given unto him. We will be glorified after his likeness, but we will never be God....will never have all power in heaven and earth.
The man is God.
Consider the following: Jesus in John 8 said the witness of two men is true. Jesus as a man bore witness of himself and the Father as a man bore witness of him; thus, man in the Supreme sense is God. There is a celestial man (the manchild), a spiritual man, a natural man. Jesus the man who took upon himself the form of a servant as flesh (a man) was glorified back to the glory that He had before; that is, the man who is God. Jesus is, was, and is to come, the Almighty God. (Revelation 1:8)
Some will probably with a knee-jerk response state that he is seated on the right hand of God. Thinking naturally one would see a throne in heaven with Jesus the Son of God sitting on the right hand of the other Person, the Father.
However, this is not the case. The right hand of God is a state of glory. For example, if God is Omnipresent...If God is everywhere, where is the right hand position of God in longitude and latitude? There is a natural realm...then there is the spiritual realm..and then there is the Spirit with no boundaries.
Which in his times (the times and seasons of the LORD) he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; (1 Timothy 6:15). There is a time coming in the showing or revealing of Jesus Christ as the KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS....not preterism but revelation...
Where is Jesus now?
"Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen." (1 Timothy 6:16).
Jesus is the only One that has immortality even though the angels are immortal and believers will be immortal at the change from God; however, Jesus has it of Himself. The Light that no angels can bear the full radiance and glory of, and the cherubim cannot for they cover their eyes and feet and are continually in flight for the fire and brilliance of this Light. As for the fullness of the glory of this Light, it will be revealed to us now in Christ and throughout eternity progressively as one is able to bear with the Light of the glory of God being so infinite that no one will know God in all things as the "eido" as Jesus knows who He is, the I AM; but we will know him being the "epiginosko" knowledge of God which is yet future, all things in part being done away with when that which is perfect is come; we as believers know Him now in "ginosko" knowledge... as we continually now and forever behold the Christ who is this Light alone; that is Light that is by, in, and through Himself alone... JESUS
Well Paul seems to differentiate between the natural body and the spiritual body. What people generally call a "glorified body" is simply called by Paul a "spiritual body".
A natural body is simply a body of Earth as we now have. At the resurrection I will not have a natural body but a spiritual body.
All a spiritual body is IS a body that no longer is natural. A natural body is prone to death. A spiritual body is a SUPERnatural body. Same body...nothing different at all. It is simply passed from the mortal realm into immortality. Jesus fully demonstrated his SUPERnatural body or what is called by Paul the SPIRITUAL body.
Jesus in his SUPERnatural (spiritual body) dwelt with his disciples 40 days after his resurrection. He walked with them, talked with them, ate with them, they handled him. He called his body a flesh and bones body. With his spiritual body he could walk through walls, he could disguise himself as he walked with his disciples on the road to Emmaeus. His spiritual or SUPERnatural body had many powers and abilities that our purely natural bodies do not have.
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46: Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1 Cor. 15:46
See?
My body is purely natural right now. It has no supernatural abilities. It is the body of death. But, when I put off this body of death, I will put on immortality. I first must be a natural body before I can put on my natural body immortality. It is called the "Change." It is when this body will step accross the line that divides the mortal and the immortality. That is putting on immortality. First, I am a natural body, afterwards I will put on that which is spiritual when I become a spiritual body.
That does not mean I will become a ghost or some blob of cloud or anything like that. It just simply mean that I will be changed from mortal into immortality....this same body.
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You refuse to call Jesus by his Hebrew name given to him by an Angel by the command of YAH? Has anyone demanded you do so? You asked me who he is.
Now you are saying he is NOT the Jewish Messiah but the Savior of the world. If you notice I said that he WAS BOTH in my reply to you. If you deny he is the Jewish Messiah I pray he will have mercy on you.
I too pray that He will have mercy on me. I need it. But, meanwhile, I am not going to call Jesus by some foreign name that I do not know him by.
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Do you think it would be reasonable to assure that no Jewish people should call Yeshua by the English "Jesus"? When you turn it around you can see how strange what you said is.
No one asked you to use Yeshua. I am elated that I can. If a Jew wants to use Jesus thats great. If a Gentile wants to use Yeshua thats great. Why must there be a war?
No need for a war at all.
It is just that I am never impressed with folk who want to call Jesus by a foreign name when His name is Jesus. When you get right down to it, most of the people who want to call Jesus by a foreign name, really understand very little of the foreign language themselves. It becomes kind of silly. I am embarassed for them.
It is just best to straighten up, get real, calling Jesus by the name in your own tongue. If your own tongue is Hebrew, great then call Jesus by the Hebrew name if you are speaking Hebrew. Otherwise, just call Jesus by his name in my own tongue...which is Jesus.
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