Show Me the Money - Page 49

Truthseeker · #**481** 07-13-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

we arent interested in the point.

but fine just call it offering and be cheerful about it. I never hear you guys talk about that part.

ahhhhh because nobodies disputing that.

Pragmatist · #**482** 07-13-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

we arent interested in the point.

but fine just call it offering and be cheerful about it. I never hear you guys talk about that part.

I cheerfully give my offering. I am glad to support the church and wish I could give more.

J-Roc · #**483** 07-13-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

we arent interested in the point.

Yet, YOU keep revisiting...

mizpeh · #**484** 07-13-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Do you have scripture that supports pastors get all the tithes?

Also if there was 3 or 4 tithes in the OT, why is only one taught today?

Which has got me thinking as well. I think I will start supporting Tupelo.

mizpeh · #**485** 07-13-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Trust is not the question at hand, but tithes is.

Trust is definitely an huge issue. Suspiscion that a Christian cannot be trusted with a large amount of money to be a good steward before God.

mizpeh · #**486** 07-13-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

.....and I don't trust a preacher with my eternal soul either.

Isn't that a preacher's job. Didn't Paul say something about having to give an account.

J-Roc · #**487** 07-13-2007, 04:07 PM

I found this post from D4T worthwhile and applicable here:

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I would like to take some time to put together a better representation of my question but I really don't have the time.

So, for now, I am going to quote a post I made on another forum.

The issue I was dealing with was someones comment that the writings of Nehemiah concerning Tobiah were about "laymen" running the church.

The issue I am really presenting here is how the knowledge that Nehemiah and Malachi were contemporaries affects the message that was being put forth in Malachi 3:8 etc.

Here is a portion of the post.

The issue wasn't that Tobiah was a "layman" (Wherever that term comes from)

The issue was that Tobiah was an Ammonite and when the word was read in the midst of the congregation the congregation heard from the word "that the Ammonite and the Moabite should not come into the congregation of God for ever"

Not only were ammonites & moabites in the congregation but Tobiah (an Ammonite) was living in the storehouse that was supposed to hold the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil.

The priests were not supposed to be receiving the tithe. The Levites were. The Levites were supposed to be giving the priests their portion but the priests had taken over the distribution of the tithe and there had been a total departure from God's law concerning the handling of the tithe. (Now that would preach all day all by itself.)

There was another OT writer that lived in the time of Nehemiah. You know him as Malachi.

In Malachi 2:1 he begins a scathing chastisement of the priests which continues through the end of the book and also includes Malachi 3:8.

Malachi 3:8 was written about the actions of the priests during the time of Malachi.

He says here that they have gone away from God's ordinances and Nehemiah certainly did confirm that during this same space in time there was a great departure from God's law of the tithe by the priesthood.

He went on to say that they had robbed God... even the whole nation.

Remember what was in the storehouse in Nehemiah? An Ammonite and there were no meat offerings, no corn, no oil. Malachi is challenging them to bring the tithe into the storehouse. I have no idea where the tithe had been kept but during the time that Tobiah's occupation of the storehouse (The time of Nehemiah and Malachi) the tithes were not kept there.

Nehemiah's comments on Tobiah are not about a church that had begun to be ruled by the "laymen". It is, instead, about a priesthood who had ceased to obey the laws of God and had blatantly disobeyed commands given them by God.

mizpeh · #**488** 07-13-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

we arent interested in the point.

but fine just call it offering and be cheerful about it. I never hear you guys talk about that part.

Exactly, if you don't want to call it tithes because you can't find such a thing in the NT, fine. I have no problem with that. It's between you and God.

But this thread started out discussing tithes and if you looked at the poll on the other tithe thread a large majority give in tithes.

So who or what does the tithes go to? a ten percent should be given of the increase or firstfruits to the ministry. A weekly paycheck is increase.

RandyWayne · #**489** 07-13-2007, 04:08 PM

If the issue is having to give an account, then EVERYONE will have souls they will have to give an account for. How we influence others. How we help them. What kind of roadblocks we set up.... Often with the best of intentions but sometimes out of pure self-righteousness.

Yes, they will have to give an account, but so will everyone else.

J-Roc · #**490** 07-13-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Trust is definitely an huge issue. Suspiscion that a Christian cannot be trusted with a large amount of money to be a good steward before God.

Wrong...there is no such suspicion....the large amount of money (8 million) should not be in anyone's hands for preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. That kind of money is to be distributed to take care of the church's functions (among those functions: watching out for the needy, widows, orphans, poor, etc.) not to go into the wallet of any pastor.

God didn't set up a Christian MLM (multi-level marketing) scheme here for pastors to recruit folks and eat from all the legs he creates in this pyramid....for that, we have Amway.