Show Me the Money - Page 17

crakjak · #**161** 07-10-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

THIS IS A GREAT POST! KEEN ASSESSMENT, INDEED!

How did you get so smart? By making very good decisions! How did you learn to make very good decisions? Experience! Oh, and how did you get all this experience? By making very bad decisions!
And I say amen!

Praxeas · #**162** 07-10-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

Hypothetical Scenario:

Joe Preacher is a pastor of a 20 person congregation...and the church size has been around this same relative number for the past 15 years. Joe Preacher just doesn't seem to attract a following, not because of anything morally wrong, but simply because he is a dull speaker, has a monotone voice and really does not go into much depth in his teachings. So, most who visit, simply do not stick around. However, there is one member, Daddi Warbux, of this small congregation that earns $80 million annually. Should Daddi be tithing $8 million a year (10%) to this church and should Joe Preacher live as a millionaire as a result of this one person's tithing?

What say ye?

Joe Preacher needs to stop preaching to the congregation that it's his responsibility to attract a following, that the whole church is responsible to reach to lost souls. His job is to train those that become saved. If he can't do that and feed them spiritual meat, then maybe he is not supposed to be a pastor.

Daddi Warbux needs to get off his moola and go convert people, hold bible studies and pray for his pastor.

J-Roc · #**163** 07-10-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Daddi Warbux needs to get off his moola and go convert people, hold bible studies and pray for his pastor.

I see you have a pre-conceived notion about wealthy people and picture them sitting on their "moola"? Is there any bitterness reserved toward the rich?

Rico · #**164** 07-10-2007, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

I haven't read the thread, but if I were this pastor, I would make sure that the rich guy pays off gross instead of net. This will net me 8 mil instead 4 mil.

I would take all of the tithe, but I would give generously to pay the utilities for our small church building. In fact, I might let go of a half mil to build a new church. I would pay out of my pocket to have a golf course built on the church property, which I would play on everyday as a ministry to the lost golfers in our city.

I would brag to my fellow pastors in my section/district that I personally pay all the bills at my small church. After service at campmeeting, I would call my chauffer to bring my limo for the ride home!

Hmmmm. Last time I checked I don't remember reading anything about golf ministry in the Bible!

J-Roc · #**165** 07-10-2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tamor

I've already stated my opinion. I think the pastor should get a salary, not the tithe. And if the church were larger than 20 members and needed a church staff, then they should be on salary too, not a percentage of the tithes.

That's right, you did say that...good thoughts!

J-Roc · #**166** 07-10-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

I like Paul's approach in Acts 24 "So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man"

2 Corinthians 4 "On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God"

Romans 12 "Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody"

And Paul's final admonition on how to handle church finances:

Paul believes in full disclosure:2 Corinthians 8 "We want to avoid any criticism of the way we administer this liberal gift. For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of men."

The jury is out....

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

These scriptures are showing that the ministry itself is being accountable to God so as not to bring a reproach on the name of the Lord not the church members making the ministry accountable.

JRoc, who should receive the tithes in your opinion?

The scriptures are showing accountability to God and Man also...and Paul show's that he holds himself accountable to man, and he takes pains to make sure he is doing what is right in their eyes.

As for your question on my opinion on who should receive the tithes...the better question would be, who do I think should be doing the distributing of the tithes rather than who should be receiving it...in that regard, the giver should be distributing as he is moved in his/her heart.

Steve Epley · #**167** 07-10-2007, 09:00 AM

I would place MY financial records on the bulletin board without any reluctance whatsoever WITH every member's. I told an inquiring saint that once he never mentioned it again.
In a unnamed city in an unnamed state a church member stood and said he was wondering what was happening to the church money. This pastor lived very modestly though his wife had inherited a good deal but hardly anyone knows that fact. The pastor said alright tonight I will read the record. That night the pastor brought every church record all the way back to the 40's. He said now first since this Bro. is concerned I want to read HIS tithing record. The man made mega bucks but had paid $20 a week in tithes for years. Guess what the discussion was over. Most folks who are OVERLY concerned think the preacher is as dishonest as they are.
New churches are built, maintained, functions function where does this come from one might ask?

mizpeh · #**168** 07-10-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

The scriptures are showing accountability to God and Man also...and Paul show's that he holds himself accountable to man, and he takes pains to make sure he is doing what is right in their eyes.

I agree with you here. For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of men."

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As for your question on my opinion on who should receive the tithes...the better question would be, who do I think should be doing the distributing of the tithes rather than who should be receiving it...in that regard, the giver should be distributing as he is moved in his/her heart.

This is your opinion. Every man does what is right in their own sight. What does the Bible say about who the tithes go to?

J-Roc · #**169** 07-10-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Most folks who are OVERLY concerned think the preacher is as dishonest as they are.

More unsubstantiated rhetoric and prejudice....

mizpeh · #**170** 07-10-2007, 09:11 AM

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The scriptures are showing accountability to God and Man also...and Paul show's that he holds himself accountable to man, and he takes pains to make sure he is doing what is right in their eyes.

I agree with you here but Paul is taking the initiative to be accountable, the saints are not making him accountable by controlling the funds. It's a minor point that I tried to make in my last post to you.

For we are taking pains to do what is right, not only in the eyes of the Lord but also in the eyes of men."

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As for your question on my opinion on who should receive the tithes...the better question would be, who do I think should be doing the distributing of the tithes rather than who should be receiving it...in that regard, the giver should be distributing as he is moved in his/her heart.

This is your opinion. Every man does what is right in their own sight. What does the Bible say about who the tithes go to?