WOW!!! T F Tenney - "Let the Redeemed of the Lord DRESS SO"

Originally Posted by Old Paths

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[tv1a]

There are only three New Testament principles for clothing.
1. Modesty
2. Gender Separation
3. Not wearing wardrobe that draws undue attention to yourself.

The women under my roof follow these principles. The men in my household follow these principles.

God's Word established the principles vs Man's opinion established standards. It's a no brainer.

A dress code is easy to preach. Throw out a bunch of rules tell people they are going to hell if they don't dress the part.

Originally Posted by Rico

I'd like to see some proof, either scriptural or historical, that shows early Christians dressed differently than the people around them. Just give me one documented clothesline message from that time frame, just one. It saddens me that the apostolic church has taken one of the most sacred aspects of living for God, namely holiness, and reduced it to a dress code.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by josh

You missed my point, Newman.

I was referring to the constant caricatures of the hard-hearted controlling dictator often referred to on here as being the "last of the breed," the uneducated browbeater who insists on still preaching the stifling standards of repression.

Yet, one would think that from this constant complaint and focus that they would be far more accepting of any outward holiness message if only it came from kind, reasoned, and progressive men.

Well, this thread is ample evidence that it matters not who brings the message, the dictator or TFT, the fact is that outward "standards" are ridiculed to the point of ridiculous.

So, I wish the libs would stop caricaturing everyone who preaches standards as hard-hearted ignorant dictators and just admit that it's the message that offends them...not the postman.

I nearly laughed out loud to read the casual dismissal by some who were convinced ahead of time there would be no scriptural basis for TFT's sermon. The internet has sure spawned some judgmental egos.

I've learned that this Leonard Ravenhill quote is incredibly apt: "When there's something in the Bible that churches don't like, they call it: legalism."

1. I am not sure of who you are calling a liberal.

2. Perhaps blinded by bias; I failed to notice libs caricaturing everyone who preaches standards as hard-hearted ignorant/controlling dictators. (Especially pertaining to this thread) Could you please point them out?

3. I am not sure that I saw standards "ridiculed" although the idea of linking Apostolic dress codes to holiness as a means to keep us in the faith was refuted.

4. How do you determine who was convinced ahead of time about this issue on the thread? I carefully listened to the hour long sermon before I posted. Given some of the things stated; I don't think I was the only one.

5. See my ode to Epley on another thread from a couple of weeks ago. I have great respect for those that minister as onto God (without regard to which camp they are in). Of course, respect doesen't always mean agreement.

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by Rico

I'd like to see some proof, either scriptural or historical, that shows early Christians dressed differently than the people around them. Just give me one documented clothesline message from that time frame, just one. It saddens me that the apostolic church has taken one of the most sacred aspects of living for God, namely holiness, and reduced it to a dress code.

It is more so sad that some Apostolics will not accept holiness is in every part of life. They want to make Heaven their home and still live like Hell. Cannot and will not ever happen. One must be holy in all areas of life.

But as the One Who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all your conduct and manner of living. For it is written, You shall be holy, for I am holy. (1 Peter 1:15-16 AMP)

To some people, you can have a good attitude and still be holy, though you may dress like the world in relation to gaudy fashions and ungodly apparel. You cannot declare one as holy before the Lord. Their heart is not truly holy, for they desire to continue in ungodliness in one area of life.

Jesus calls us to be holy in every area of life, not just the spiritually applicable ones. If not, then we are not holy. So, if you do not want a dress code for holiness, and choose to continue living like the world, then your heart is not holy before the Lord.

A holy heart and spirit will result in a holy life without exception.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

It is more so sad that some Apostolics will not accept holiness is in every part of life. They want to make Heaven their home and still live like Hell. Cannot and will not ever happen. One must be holy in all areas of life.

But as the One Who called you is holy, you yourselves also be holy in all your conduct and manner of living. For it is written, You shall be holy, for I am holy. (1 Peter 1:15-16 AMP)

To some people, you can have a good attitude and still be holy, though you may dress like the world in relation to gaudy fashions and ungodly apparel. You cannot declare one as holy before the Lord. Their heart is not truly holy, for they desire to continue in ungodliness in one area of life.

Jesus calls us to be holy in every area of life, not just the spiritually applicable ones. If not, then we are not holy. So, if you do not want a dress code for holiness, and choose to continue living like the world, then your heart is not holy before the Lord.

A holy heart and spirit will result in a holy life without exception.

Talk is cheap. I want to see some proof that early Christians preached clothesline messages and focused on dress standards. Show me just one documented sermon or any proof, other than just because people like you say so.

[Brother Price]

Rico, did you not read where the epistle said that holiness was to be in every area of life. Is not scripture enough? All means all. Without exception. You cannot be holy in one area, and not in the rest and still be considered holy in the eyes of Jesus.

The proof is given. You simply refuse to see it.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Rico, did you not read where the epistle said that holiness was to be in every area of life. Is not scripture enough? All means all. Without exception. You cannot be holy in one area, and not in the rest and still be considered holy in the eyes of Jesus.

The proof is given. You simply refuse to see it.

You still have not shown that holiness includes following your idea of a dress code, Bro Price. The reason being you can't. It's just your perception, and other's, of what holiness is. Frankly, I think y'all have cheapened the meaning of holiness with so much focus being placed on what people wear.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Rico, did you not read where the epistle said that holiness was to be in every area of life. Is not scripture enough? All means all. Without exception. You cannot be holy in one area, and not in the rest and still be considered holy in the eyes of Jesus.

The proof is given. You simply refuse to see it.

Please define: holy/holiness

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by Rico

You still have not shown that holiness includes following your idea of a dress code, Bro Price. The reason being you can't. It's just your perception, and other's, of what holiness is. Frankly, I think y'all have cheapened the meaning of holiness with so much focus being placed on what people wear.

Rico, cheapened holiness? You must have forgotten who you are speaking to. This is the guy who has been all over the map, who has fell for every wind of doctrine out there, even "standardless holiness". I have been there. There is no holiness. They try to have a good attitude, but they most have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. This is one area I am somewhat thankful for what I have been through.

Holiness must be inward, yes. But, if it is not outer as well, then it is not true holiness. I have known people to have the outer standards and not have it inwardly. This is about 5% of the saints I have experienced. The rest have it down pat.

The scriptures presented show forth that holiness is in every area of life. Dress is included. You must be holy in all, or you are not holy at all, period. You want to limit it to inward, which truly cheapens it. If it is truly in you, then it will come out of you. If it is in your heart, you will simply stop being like the world.

Also [I desire] that women should adorn themselves modestly and appropriately and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with [elaborate] hair arrangement or gold or pearls or expensive clothing, But by doing good deeds (deeds in themselves good and for the good and advantage of those contacted by them), as befits women who profess reverential fear for and devotion to God. (1 Timothy 2:9-10 AMP)

The woman shall not wear that which pertains to a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all that do so are an abomination to the Lord your God. (Deuteronomy 22:5 AMP)

For I am the Lord, I do not change; that is why you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed. (Malachi 3:6 AMP)

Jesus Christ (the Messiah) is [always] the same, yesterday, today, [yes] and forever (to the ages). (Hebrews 13:8 AMP)

If God said it was an abomination before, this does not change. He does not change. Or, shall we say that God has now changed His mind on what He hates?

Sorry Rico, but it is still holiness in all, or nothing is holy at all.

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by Subdued

Please define: holy/holiness

Sure.

The word for holy in 1Peter 1:15 is the word hagios. It means sacred (physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated): - (most) holy (one, thing), saint. It simple means to be set apart for the Lord from the world. Separated unto the Lord.

This is why Peter calls us through the scriptures, under unction of the Holy Ghost, to be holy in all areas of life.