What's the difference?

[Wilsonwas]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Lambusco Dolce from H-E-B. Served chilled. Mmmm

I am completely unfamiliar with this, can you elaborate. Glenfiddich I know.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Strong drink and wine in scripture are 2 different things. Only the dregs of society in those times drank fermented drink. To have the best and freshest wine was a status symbol.And the only way the Lord's supper is served with wine like your talking about is in a Catholic church.. I guess now your in support of Roman Catholicism and the Pope, because they are all for drinking in church..

I'm no more in support of Roman Catholicism than you my dear brother, for it is you who also believes in the infallibility of the pastor to make up laws such as defining beards as "sin". lol

Ah, but again, you're creating a false dichotomy. I'm not in support of Catholicism just because I believe that alcohol isn't a sin in and of itself. I could care less what the Catholic church thinks of alcohol or anything else for that matter. If alcohol were a sin in and of itself, Paul wouldn't admonish a "little sin" to mix with water for Timothy's stomach.

Wine and water in Timothy's case purified the water, but it wouldn't intoxicate you. Which you can tell by Pauls admonition of Timothy that Timothy didn't want to do it. He was apprehensive of mixing it with water, as to make the water drinkable.

Again, alcoholic drink in and of itself isn't a "sin", else Paul would be recommending a "little sin" to be mixed with water for Timothy's sake.

What must be guarded against is drunkenness. A glass of wine with food is largely without effect. Timothy was obviously a young man who feared becoming drunken. Paul's admonishment was a good one for him. But had Timothy not been so timid about alcohol... perhaps Paul wouldn't have even had to advise him on the matter. Timothy would have already chosen to take some wine for his stomach problems, and Paul wouldn't have even found need to mention it.

But if your dying then drink and be merry for tommorow you die. But if you are made a King and Priest as was promised to you, Strong drink is not for you, says so in the scripture..

The admonition to kings and priests is in relation to falling into drunkenness and failing in their duties do to being drunk on the job. It wasn't a commandment against having wine with dinner. Hence the statement, "Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted." As an authority, you can only "pervert judgment" while on the job issuing judgments.

[Wilsonwas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm no more in support of Roman Catholicism than you my dear brother, for it is you who also believes in the infallibility of the pastor to make up laws such as defining beards as "sin". lol

Ah, but again, you're creating a false dichotomy. I'm not in support of Catholicism just because I believe that alcohol isn't a sin in and of itself. If it were, Paul wouldn't admonish a "little sin" to mix with water for Timothy's stomach.



Again, alcoholic drink in and of itself isn't a "sin", else Paul would be recommending a "little sin" to be mixed with water for Timothy's sake.

What must be guarded against is drunkenness. A glass of wine with food is largely without effect.



The admonition to kings and priests is in relation to falling into drunkenness and failing in their duties do to being drunk on the job. It wasn't a commandment against having wine with dinner.

[Wilsonwas]

I still find it hilarious that somehow, holiness is equated with the look of Ward Cleaver, and the attitude of an "Oakie from Misgokie"
Neither of these are holy....

[berkeley]

Last year as I was shopping for grocery store sushi I was offered a sample of Lambrusco Dolce. It’s a red. A little sweet, but not necessarily a dessert wine. It’s not as dry as many wines. I had a bottle on Thanksgiving.

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

I am completely unfamiliar with this, can you elaborate. Glenfiddich I know.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm no more in support of Roman Catholicism than you my dear brother, for it is you who also believes in the infallibility of the pastor to make up laws such as defining beards as "sin". lol

Ah, but again, you're creating a false dichotomy. I'm not in support of Catholicism just because I believe that alcohol isn't a sin in and of itself. I could care less what the Catholic church thinks of alcohol or anything else for that matter. If alcohol were a sin in and of itself, Paul wouldn't admonish a "little sin" to mix with water for Timothy's stomach.



Again, alcoholic drink in and of itself isn't a "sin", else Paul would be recommending a "little sin" to be mixed with water for Timothy's sake.

What must be guarded against is drunkenness. A glass of wine with food is largely without effect. Timothy was obviously a young man who feared becoming drunken. Paul's admonishment was a good one for him. But had Timothy not been so timid about alcohol... perhaps Paul wouldn't have even had to advise him on the matter. Timothy would have already chosen to take some wine for his stomach problems, and Paul wouldn't have even found need to mention it.



The admonition to kings and priests is in relation to falling into drunkenness and failing in their duties do to being drunk on the job. It wasn't a commandment against having wine with dinner. Hence the statement, "Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted." As an authority, you can only "pervert judgment" while on the job issuing judgments.

No one even said the word sin not my pastor or anyone about beards. So..

And no one said it was a sin to drink, but it's is unprofitable, and worldly so there's that. But hey "drink and be merry for tommorow you die", the new hit song from Young Jeezy. Hey Y.O.L.O. right?

Having this conversation with you and Mr song book is also unprofitable.. So it profits me as much as drinking so I might as well cut it.. lol

[Wilsonwas]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Last year as I was shopping for grocery store sushi I was offered a sample of Lambrusco Dolce. It’s a red. A little sweet, but not necessarily a dessert wine. It’s not as dry as many wines. I had a bottle on Thanksgiving.

Well thank you for the tip.

[Wilsonwas]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

No one even said the word sin not my pastor or anyone about beards. So..

And no one said it was a sin to drink, but it's is unprofitable, and worldly so there's that. But hey "drink and be merry for tommorow you die", the new hit song from Young Jeezy. Hey Y.O.L.O. right?

Having this conversation with you and Mr song book is also unprofitable.. So it profits me as much as drinking so I might as well cut it.. lol

Might be right about that, but I have learned to enjoy the discussions....

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Wilsonwas

Might be right about that, but I have learned to enjoy the discussions....

Not everyone enjoys discussion.

[Wilsonwas]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Not everyone enjoys discussion.

Yes, I had to learn that some here were not actually the song book tossing preacher I once met. They are not a threat.