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01-14-2012, 08:53 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Even if Jesus meant this in terms of believing that He was God (the Father), this wouldn't disqualify Trinitarians from Salvation. Trinitarianism distinguishes between the "persons" (subsistent realities) of the Father and the Son; but it affirms their singularity, or oneness, of being.
So both Oneness and Trinitarians believe that Jesus is God, and that God is the Father. Where they disagree is when asked, "How is Jesus God?" We see similar debates and differences of opinion on this matter among ourselves. So if one must believe in Oneness, exactly as Bro. Eply believes it, then even the majority of Apostolics are lost.
Historically speaking, most of our founding elders came out of Trinitarian churches. Most had the Holy Ghost with speaking in other tongues BEFORE they embraced a Oneness position. We can't say that they weren't saved prior to their coming to a Oneness understanding because that's thinking linearly, using an earth bound, time bound logic. You see... God knew all along who this greater truth would be revealed to. Even while sitting on a pew in a Trinitarian church, God saw them as Apostolics. God wasn't looking at his watch, fearful that they didn't have time to be what He desired. lol And not only this... they continued to fellowship their Trinitarian brethren. Their position was that the were a greater truth, a greater light, they tried to teach the way more perfectly. They didn't CONDEMN Trinitarians. However... it was the Trinitarian brethren who held council in many churches and chose to CONDEMN and DISFELLOWSHIP Oneness brethren. This divided churches, families, brothers, sisters, and even entire denominations. The pain that this caused was unbelievable on both sides. And with that pain came... BITTERNESS. A generation of preachers who were hurt and rejected by one another began to condemn one another to Hell. That "spirit" (yes it's a demonic spirit) has dominated the landscape in Apostolic churches for several generations now. It's not time to set down what we believe to be the fulness of truth. However, it's time to begin fellowshipping the very churches that we were called to bring revival to. Don't people realize that just prior to the outbreak of the Holy Ghost and the rise of Apostolic Oneness churches traditional Trinitarian churches were praying and PLEADING for REVIVAL??? WE ARE THE ENDTIME REVIVAL. But Satan has sown the seeds of sin, bitterness, and pride on every side. Instead of loving the very church we were anointed to revive... they condemned us... and in turn... we condemned them. We must realize that all of this is by God's design. Instead of condemning Trinitarians and contributing to even further alienation. We need to pick up the ministry of reconciliation. And bring the rest of the body of Christ into the experience of the Holy Ghost. God knows who are His and who aren't. Let Him do the sifting.
It's time for us to stop being "Oneness" or "Apostolic" or whatever other label you might wish to use. It's to be the A MOVE OF GOD, A REVIVAL.
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This has to win the award of 'stupid' post of the year. I congratulate you.
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01-14-2012, 10:04 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
This has to win the award of 'stupid' post of the year. I congratulate you.
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Typical response when you can't refute it with logic or fact. I'm disappointed, Elder.
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01-14-2012, 10:15 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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This has to win the award of 'stupid' post of the year. I congratulate you.
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This can only be taken as a compliment, given the source. Sorry about that.
Last edited by bbyrd009; 01-14-2012 at 10:51 AM.
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01-14-2012, 10:43 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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This has to win the award of 'stupid' post of the year. I congratulate you.
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Brother Epley, can you please explain why you think that post was "stupid"? Historical documentation is hard to refute. It is alway good reasoning that, instead of condemning people to be lost, to leave the spiritual road open for dialogue. The Apostles were always showing people a "more excellent way" concerning Christ. There may come a time when someone will need you to show them that way. You close that dialogue when you make a judgment about people who are still trying to figure it all out.
I thought it was a rather good post.
Last edited by AreYouReady?; 01-14-2012 at 10:56 AM.
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01-14-2012, 06:25 PM
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This has to win the award of 'stupid' post of the year. I congratulate you.
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I do perceive that thou art in the gall bitterness.
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01-14-2012, 06:46 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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This has to win the award of 'stupid' post of the year. I congratulate you.
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"My momma always says that......"
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01-15-2012, 04:35 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?
Brother Epley, can you please explain why you think that post was "stupid"? Historical documentation is hard to refute. It is alway good reasoning that, instead of condemning people to be lost, to leave the spiritual road open for dialogue. The Apostles were always showing people a "more excellent way" concerning Christ. There may come a time when someone will need you to show them that way. You close that dialogue when you make a judgment about people who are still trying to figure it all out.
I thought it was a rather good post.
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The reason he thinks it's stupid is that he doesn't agree with it, but doesn't know why. And, he can't refute it with logic or fact, but his pride won't let me say that it makes sense - therefore, it is "stupid". Typical for people who's narrow minded baseless factless viewpoints handcuff them.
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01-16-2012, 12:15 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I do perceive that thou art in the gall bitterness.
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I congratulate you on winning this debate.
When one side is unable to answer another and resorts to insutling or belitteling the other view point, it means the debate is over.
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01-16-2012, 09:06 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
The reason he thinks it's stupid is that he doesn't agree with it, but doesn't know why. And, he can't refute it with logic or fact, but his pride won't let me say that it makes sense - therefore, it is "stupid". Typical for people who's narrow minded baseless factless viewpoints handcuff them.
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Oops, should have been "his pride won't let HIM say"
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01-16-2012, 10:30 AM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oops, should have been "his pride won't let HIM say"
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The last time I saw Pastor Toney, I told him to tell you hi-- but he doesn't know me and really don't know each other so I doubt the message ever got to you.
I can see it now....
"Pastor Williams, who is that nutjob sitting on your front row telling me to say hi to one of my golf partners?"
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