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12-24-2011, 07:38 PM
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Resident PeaceMaker
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Re: From Tim Downs..
If somebody is doing a good work,I rejoice about it.
I need to make sure I'm doing my part in being a witness for Jesus Christ and His wonderful grace.
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There they can find plenty of fault.
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12-25-2011, 02:09 AM
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Apostolic Pentecostal
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Re: From Tim Downs..
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Who cares what TD thinks? Not me.
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Bro. Epley, I was curious about you statment and wondered why you felt this way. I know that often a statement can be misunderstood, or there is a reason for the statement to be made. I was wondering what your thought was, as I am always striving to know, that way I do not miss the boat.
Somebody would also have to tell Bro. J. Godair, Bro. K. Godair, Bro. Booker, and many other men that their method is also wrong as they all have services mutliple times on Sunday, and are pastoring growing churches.
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12-25-2011, 07:34 AM
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Re: From Tim Downs..
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Originally Posted by onefaith2
Tim Downs
Top 4 Things that are ABSOLUTES for Great church Growth - (1.) Change your service to Sunday at 2:00 pm (2.) Quit playing the new carnal music (3.) Have daily outreaches (4.) Learn to love and disciple people. WHICH OF THESE FOUR ARE YOU DEAD SET AGAINST CHANGING and you will know why your not reaching your city.
He baptizes and witness to many people.
What to you think?
Carnal Music: I am a Friend of God, Dancing Generation, etc.
his new church plant
www.Atlantahopecenter.com
a related site
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I am always amused how people take some Christian principles then mix in their opinion on some very subjective matters and then call it the gospel truth that must be followed.
What time you should have church and what one considers "carnal music" are highly subjective. I understand the thrust of what he is saying but like so many preachers he discredits the whole premise by the way he says it.
How about;
(1.) Be open to changing your Sunday service time if a different time will make it easier to get visitors to come. (2.) Make sure your praise and worship music is really that. (3.) Have daily outreaches (4.) Learn to love and disciple people
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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12-25-2011, 11:04 AM
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Location: Indianapolis IN
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Re: From Tim Downs..
I visited his church in Atlanta a few weeks ago. He started the church in May of 2011 and since then he has baptized over 500 people. He runs over 200 + solid now with only one other Apostolic lady and her daughter.
He didn't take one person from another church in Atlanta, his church has the greatest spirit of worship as I have ever seen and they are praying through and baptizing people everyday.
Oh, and they have something going on everyday at their church, cooking classes, kids movie night, Bible Study, GED classes etc...
Bottom line, maybe instead of talking so much trash about someone actually doing something incredible, we lift their family up in prayer and celebrate their success as incredible church planters!
Has anyone else that you know of baptized 500 + people and kept almost half of them in just 6 months?
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12-25-2011, 11:16 AM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: From Tim Downs..
That is amazing!
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12-25-2011, 04:54 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Charlotte, North Carolina USA
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Re: From Tim Downs..
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Originally Posted by jeffadams
I visited his church in Atlanta a few weeks ago. He started the church in May of 2011 and since then he has baptized over 500 people. He runs over 200 + solid now with only one other Apostolic lady and her daughter.
He didn't take one person from another church in Atlanta, his church has the greatest spirit of worship as I have ever seen and they are praying through and baptizing people everyday.
Oh, and they have something going on everyday at their church, cooking classes, kids movie night, Bible Study, GED classes etc...
Bottom line, maybe instead of talking so much trash about someone actually doing something incredible, we lift their family up in prayer and celebrate their success as incredible church planters!
Has anyone else that you know of baptized 500 + people and kept almost half of them in just 6 months?
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Some people want to justify in their minds why they are in a right position with God, or somehow make it a comparison issue..... Anthony Mangun is mentioned in Tim Down's book as a friend and mentor..
And Tim Down's tips for building a soul winning church are not something that will make or break everyones' soulwinning efforts, but I have seen them work well and I cannot dispute that they have made a massive impact in service attendance at his work at the Atlanta Hope Center..
Tim Downs invited myself and my family to his home for Christmas Eve dinner, It is a very small house in the most crime ridden part of Atlanta, a stone's throw away from the church he started. The man walked away from so much success in life to pick up his cross and follow Jesus (the right way, which is to win others)...
And the person who was trashing Bro. Downs for not winning his family.... Bro. Downs does what anyone with a burden for souls would do for his family as well as everyone he meets... He offers them a chance to pray with them, see them through to repentance, baptism and infilling with Holy Ghost... If they don't respond, he can only pray for them. But someone who has been filled with the Holy Ghost should automatically have that burden for souls...
Old time Pentecostals used to preach that to not witness and spread the message, can keep you out of Heaven....
And for the person who asked who is Tim Downs.... He is just a man that is on fire for God, that's why some think he is strange and want to quell his fire... It is embarassing to other pentecostals when he is out there doing something they know God wants them to do as well. You can read about the works he is doing here:
www.GoWinSouls.com
www.AtlantaHopeCenter.com
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12-26-2011, 08:09 AM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Re: From Tim Downs..
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Originally Posted by jeffadams
I visited his church in Atlanta a few weeks ago. He started the church in May of 2011 and since then he has baptized over 500 people. He runs over 200 + solid now with only one other Apostolic lady and her daughter.
He didn't take one person from another church in Atlanta, his church has the greatest spirit of worship as I have ever seen and they are praying through and baptizing people everyday.
Oh, and they have something going on everyday at their church, cooking classes, kids movie night, Bible Study, GED classes etc...
Bottom line, maybe instead of talking so much trash about someone actually doing something incredible, we lift their family up in prayer and celebrate their success as incredible church planters!
Has anyone else that you know of baptized 500 + people and kept almost half of them in just 6 months?
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I'm not sure anyone was talking "trash" about Tim Downs, other than Epley's comment about not caring what he thinks, but that's just Epley.
My point in all of this is that you can't say "These are ABSOLUTES" when there are hundreds of other men out there doing the same thing Downs is doing, but in a much different fashion, and still seeing the success.
I do have a question tho - what happened to the other 300 who were baptized?
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"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
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12-26-2011, 08:20 AM
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This is still that!
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sebastian, FL
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Re: From Tim Downs..
maybe the problem is that we want to count people, we want to measure the work that God is doing in people's hearts and take credit for it.
maybe we should just preach the bible, plant and water, and trust God to give the increase.
so sinners prayer is a nice little way to count
or watching to see how many are talking in tongues is a nice little way to count
you don't know if the person you are numbering has repented before, or talked in tongues before
God is keeping track, you don't have to count.
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12-26-2011, 08:59 AM
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Administrator
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Re: From Tim Downs..
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Originally Posted by jeffadams
I visited his church in Atlanta a few weeks ago. He started the church in May of 2011 and since then he has baptized over 500 people. He runs over 200 + solid now with only one other Apostolic lady and her daughter.
He didn't take one person from another church in Atlanta, his church has the greatest spirit of worship as I have ever seen and they are praying through and baptizing people everyday.
Oh, and they have something going on everyday at their church, cooking classes, kids movie night, Bible Study, GED classes etc...
Bottom line, maybe instead of talking so much trash about someone actually doing something incredible, we lift their family up in prayer and celebrate their success as incredible church planters!
Has anyone else that you know of baptized 500 + people and kept almost half of them in just 6 months?
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Jeff, that is a great report. However it has absolutely nothing to do though with discussing the statement he made that is the premise of this thread.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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12-27-2011, 12:25 PM
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Registered User
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Re: From Tim Downs..
He brought his dog and pony show to our city and all of the sudden he was handing out ipods, and bikes and other junk to get people to church and all of the sudden, REVIVAL was proclaimed to have arrived! YAY!
He got into an argument with the pastor's daughter about the order of service or some stupid thing and he was ridden out on a rail...not one single person in the 200 or so they advertised that was baptized is still attending.
What a joke.
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