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Old 06-05-2008, 01:22 PM
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Re: Hope! Action! Change!

i see 1cor you still have a sense of humor if nothing else, dt
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I bet you werent friends with any known terrorists either!
Ferd, I have posted on the Ayers connection before, so I don't want to have to rehash it. Let me just say that the connection is...

Oh I'll just repost it....

My point is that I am much more interested in his views than in his "connections". Some of the connections have been tenuous and incidental at best (like with Ayers), but that has been so hyped that it seems to preempt real conversation on his views. Everytime I hear Hannity rave for 30 minutes about that instead of about Obama, it makes him seem less credible and more partisan or vindictive. I want to know about his views and how he has governed and would govern.

He and Ayers are two people prominent in the Chicago political scene and have served on boards together and been at the same functions... Ayers did despicable things when Obama was in short pants (no offense dt . No one has demonstrated any more significant relationship than that.
I just am saying that when you begin to make mountains out of mole hills, people begin to wonder if there really are as many actual mountains as you may claim. Like I said I am not a supporter of any at this point but I am tired of politics and talking heads as usual.
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Old 06-05-2008, 01:31 PM
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Old 06-05-2008, 01:33 PM
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Ferd, I have posted on the Ayers connection before, so I don't want to have to rehash it. Let me just say that the connection is...

Oh I'll just repost it....

My point is that I am much more interested in his views than in his "connections". Some of the connections have been tenuous and incidental at best (like with Ayers), but that has been so hyped that it seems to preempt real conversation on his views. Everytime I hear Hannity rave for 30 minutes about that instead of about Obama, it makes him seem less credible and more partisan or vindictive. I want to know about his views and how he has governed and would govern.

He and Ayers are two people prominent in the Chicago political scene and have served on boards together and been at the same functions... Ayers did despicable things when Obama was in short pants (no offense dt . No one has demonstrated any more significant relationship than that.
I just am saying that when you begin to make mountains out of mole hills, people begin to wonder if there really are as many actual mountains as you may claim. Like I said I am not a supporter of any at this point but I am tired of politics and talking heads as usual.

if "Ayers did despicalble things when Obama was in short pants" was all there was to it, I would agree with you.

if he and Ayers sat on boards together was all there was to it, I would agree with you.

BUT that aint all there is.

Obama's offical launching of his candidacy for state representative took place at Ayers HOME.

AFTER he began running for President, Obama stated that he and Ayers "were friends".

its a bit more involved than Ayers doing bad stuff when Barak was a baby.
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LOL! not stable up in his brainpan but smart! thats great.

gotta terrorist for a buddy but smart!

spiritual mentor is a racist but the guy is smart!

wife cant stand America but they are both smart!

yea. having a smart guy in the oval office is what we need. just like old bill. left his DNA all over the place but dude was smart so its alllllllll good!
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ayers unrepentant attitude and even saying that he wished he had done more, is interesting also, dt
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ayers unrepentant attitude and even saying that he wished he had done more, is interesting also, dt
and the FACT that Obama has stated that they are still friends speaks volumes.
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ding ding, i believe we have a connection, reality sets in, dt
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Obama is for:
Gay marriage

Praxeas, regarding gay marriage.


Obama: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."




McCain: Republican John McCain says same-sex couples should be allowed to enter into legal agreements for insurance and other purposes, but he opposes gay marriage and believes in "the unique status of marriage between and man and a woman."
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hey 1cor dude are you sure he didnt change his mind in the last few days, lol,dt
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