Oneness Pentecostals And British Israelism ?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

...Theodore Fitch taught it also.

I wasn't sure but I thought Ted Fitch taught that.
I don't remember reading it in any of his books but I think some book titles that I saw listed indicated that he believed that.

[Sam]

Herbert W. Armstrong taught that.
He taught that the word "British" came from "berith" or "brit" meaning "covenant" and "Ish" meaning man and therefore if you were British you were a man of the covenant. He used OT scriptures about the tribulation and applied them to the U.S. and Canada. Some who teach that doctrine believe that the lighter skinned or Nordic Europeans are the real Israelites and therefore God's covenant people and that the darker southern Europeans are mongrelized or mixed.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

If my understanding is correct ,there have been small factions of Oneness Pentecostals who have embraced the British Israel doctrine.
I understand the late Brother Gordon Magee believed this doctrine ?
What other oneness pentecostals have believed this doctrine ?

Are you sure GM believed this? Anyways, this is by far a doctrine held by more non Oneness Pentecostals. It's complete and utter garbage and is a pre-text to racism in my opinion

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sam

Herbert W. Armstrong taught that.
He taught that the word "British" came from "berith" or "brit" meaning "covenant" and "Ish" meaning man and therefore if you were British you were a man of the covenant. He used OT scriptures about the tribulation and applied them to the U.S. and Canada. Some who teach that doctrine believe that the lighter skinned or Nordic Europeans are the real Israelites and therefore God's covenant people and that the darker southern Europeans are mongrelized or mixed.

Saxon came from Issac etc etc...but of baloney

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The group Gordon Magee was a part of in Ireland "The Church of God of Ireland" a Oneness group was a British Isreal group. Bro. Magee taught the same. I am thinking Charles Grisham's mother believed that also but I could be wrong? I think I remember Frank Munsey once saying that? Theodore Fitch taught it also.

Too bad

[jwharv]

Originally Posted by Sam

Herbert W. Armstrong taught that.
He taught that the word "British" came from "berith" or "brit" meaning "covenant" and "Ish" meaning man and therefore if you were British you were a man of the covenant. He used OT scriptures about the tribulation and applied them to the U.S. and Canada. Some who teach that doctrine believe that the lighter skinned or Nordic Europeans are the real Israelites and therefore God's covenant people and that the darker southern Europeans are mongrelized or mixed.

He truly held some of the strangest beliefs I have ever heard...........

[Praxeas]

I had a grandfather that was into that. It was funny because he went to a Methodist church but received their literature in the mail regularly.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Saxon came from Issac etc etc...but of baloney

Yes, Saxon came from Isaac's son.

Herbert W. Armstrong taught that some of the Israelites (including Jeremiah I think) lugged a rock with them across Europe into England and that is the Stone of Scoone or Scone (don't remember how it's spelled) that British monarchs place their feet upon at their coronation.

Well, don't the Mormons teach that some of the lost tribes of Israel came to North America in submarines?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sam

Yes, Saxon came from Isaac's son.

Herbert W. Armstrong taught that some of the Israelites (including Jeremiah I think) lugged a rock with them across Europe into England and that is the Stone of Scoone or Scone (don't remember how it's spelled) that British monarchs place their feet upon at their coronation.

Well, don't the Mormons teach that some of the lost tribes of Israel came to North America in submarines?

The Stone of Scone (pronounced /skuːn/, 'skoon'), also commonly known as the Stone of Destiny or the Coronation Stone (though "Stone of Destiny" sometimes refers to Lia Fáil) is a block of sandstone historically kept at the now-ruined abbey in Scone, near Perth, Scotland. It was used for centuries in the coronation of the monarchs of Scotland, the monarchs of England, and, more recently, British monarchs. Other names by which it has sometimes been known include Jacob's Pillow Stone and the Tanist Stone, and in Scottish Gaelic, "clach-na-cinneamhain", "clach Sgàin" and also "Lia(th) Fàil" [1]

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

interesting, sounds like mormon theology. Are the ten tribes really lost? what tribe do all the jews of

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

Israel, Europe and America claim to be from? seems like the cohen/levi tribes are intact. all the rest of modern day jews surely can't be from the Aaronic line. They must be from the "lost ten".

Modern Judaism is generally broken into two groups (with many exceptions of course). The Sephardic or Spanish Jews are the descendants of the Jews from the old Islamic kingdoms of Andalusia or Spain. When the last of the Islamic kingdoms fell in 1492, the Jews were forced to leave their homes in Spain and settle in the Muslim lands of North Africa and the Middle East. Before settling in Spain, these were the Jews of the Diasporas of 70 and 133 AD.

The Ashkenazim or European Jews have been genetically linked to the Jewish migration from Italy to the Rhineland after the fall of the Roman Empire. Charlemagne invited the Roman Jews to move north to help spur the economic development of his newly conquered German territories. These people were largely pushed further and further east during the middle ages until they were largely in the Slavic lands where Hitler's Wehrmacht caught up to them.

All of these people were "Jews" or "Israelites" descending from the 12 tribes of antiquity. There were of course many Jews who "converted" (willingly or otherwise) and mixed their lives and children with those of the people of the nations around them.

A Chinese statistician recently estimated that 80% of all North Americans of European ancestry were descended from 2 historical figures: Charlemagne and (believe it or not) the Prophet Mohammed. Mohammed's descendants of the Umayyad dynasty of Spain intermarried with the royal houses of Castile and Leon, and through them with the rest of Europe. There are many Spanish American families in the Southwest U.S. who for some reason set up a Seder (Passover) table every Easter complete with the extra "Elijah cup." However, until recently they had no idea of its significance. These are the Conversarios - Jewish converts to Spanish Catholicism who had secretly retained some of their traditions.

The circumstances of the descendants of the "missing" 10 tribes probably involves similar complexity with lots of surprises. However, in the Inter-Testament time period, the "Jews" and "Israelites" believed that God was fulfilling Jeremiah 30 and Isaiah 11 literally in their midst. These were the “two sticks” of Ezekiel.

Interestingly, some Messianic groups believe that G-d is “calling” out the literal descendants of the “lost” tribes from the Gentiles. These are the goys who show up at Messianic services and “for some reason that can’t understand” want to convert to a more Jewish form of Christianity. At least one group believes the Holy Spirit is sifting out “unknown Jews” from the nations. Needless to say, I am some what skeptical about this, but then again, who knows? The basic truth that I embrace is that if you go far enough back, you'll find out that we're all genetically related - duh! What's more important however, is being "born again" into a family that transcends genetics. I believe that I share that faith and hope with Jew and Gentile alike.