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View Poll Results: Do you support a draft?
Yes I support it 12 26.67%
No, I don't support it 30 66.67%
Im sitting on the fence 3 6.67%
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Old 08-12-2007, 01:11 AM
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I think having our troops there, spending the money and arms is an economic/military blunder with Iran and China looming very very soon on the horizen
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Old 08-12-2007, 05:44 AM
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We have someone close to us that works at Ft. Irwin in California. He said that 85% of the returning soldiers want to go back and that they say they are doing a great job but the media won't relay it to the people.

My husband's nephew has recently been deployed to Iraq. He's Special Ops in the Marines.

I asked him why he joined. He said, "Someone has to do it."

I asked him about the news and what they are saying. He said, "The news media is a soldiers worst enemy."

I'll listen to what the soldiers have to say over the media any day.

There will be wars and rumors of wars......

Don't think we can avoid it.

A draft only brings in people who do not want to be there, that don't feel the cause. Voluntary is the only way to go.
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:02 AM
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I am new here, so I hope my question is taken without offense: where does Jesus give a Christian the approval to fight against or kill an enemy?
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This is my forth post and already I'm being ignored! I'm really off to a bad start here....

Anybody want to respond?
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:20 AM
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I have a 19 year old son and some pretty entrenched opinions and emotional responses.

1. NO WAY should we be drafting young men for a prolonged war that many in the country don't want and that we are not prepared to win once and for all.

2. NO WAY should women be drafted for combat. They are a liability on the battlefield, physically and emotionally. Women's bodies were designed for bringing forth life not fighting wars. Their lack of upperbody strength and inability to throw a grenade far enough puts everybody at risk. Furthermore, Women's emotions enable nurturing but are not so great for combat.

The presence of women in these places also destroys the sanctity of the families back home. Good men stray under the strain of uncertainty and the daily proximity of women. It has been said that there is no such thing as an ugly woman on a ship over time.

And in fact; one out of 10 women are removed from ships and/or the battlefield due to pregnancy.

And for the record; one can advocate for the right of women to be treated the same as men where they are EQUIPPED to handle it; without sending them into combat to the detriment of ALL.

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Sister,

All of this I would normally agree with. The women's movement have removed themselves from such considerations. Politically, the women want their cake and eat it too? That is kind of impossible, don't you think? You will never get the woman's movement to acknowledge that they are not equipped to do all that a man can do.

Since when do you think that the women's movement care anything about sanctity of the family? Have they recently changed their minds? Not that I am aware of. As far as pregnancy is concerned, I am sure that you are aware of the women's movement love for birth control outside of marriage, including abortion. No problem! Yes, sex outside of marriage is very much encouraged.

Also, when did the women's movement come to care too much about women's emotions and how they are emotionally any different than men or that their bodies were formed to bring forth life. Not lately as far as I know.

I am well of the moral implications and the possiblity of destroyed lives both physically and emotionally both for men and for women. Don't forget, I've been there and have seen the most grusesome consequences, not knowing whether I would live to tell about it.

PERSONALLY, I am very much against women being in the military AT ALL. They are thrown together with men all around the world. The outcome of all of this is generally not good in any possible way. I am against them being in such feminine positions as clerk typist back in Company headquarters, well behind enemy contact. Personally, I am against them being on ships or in contact with the male in any aspect of the military. War and all military service should be singular to the male gender.

But politically speaking, the reality is much different. Since the woman has demanded equality at the ballot box, my message to her is, "Shoulder arms ol' girl and keep cadence and your powder dry. We are going to war."

I am also deathly against these teaser wars that we've had since WW II. Either declare war as a matter of law, by Congress, ratified by the President and win it unconditionally without armistice or do not go to war at all. But, if we do declare war as a matter of law, all must be subject to it by draft. This is my opinion, though a bit skewed by political implications.

Meanwhile be assured, I hate to see a woman in the military, neither in the Pentagon or in a combat zone. It is not her place. But politically, we have another problem in the military, that being that the homosexual front is now demanding equal rights and protection under the law as in the military and in the combat zone. Hillary, like the other three top Democrat contenders, who are strong women's rights advocates are determined to give them all that they are asking for.

Newman, it is a sick world. If you have all the answers, I would love to hear them. Considerations must reach far beyond the emotional considerations of your 19 year old son.
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:23 AM
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This is my forth post and already I'm being ignored! I'm really off to a bad start here....

Anybody want to respond?
You are not being ignored.

I am sure everyone responded that found where Jesus gave that approval. How many responded?
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:25 AM
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We have someone close to us that works at Ft. Irwin in California. He said that 85% of the returning soldiers want to go back and that they say they are doing a great job but the media won't relay it to the people.

My husband's nephew has recently been deployed to Iraq. He's Special Ops in the Marines.

I asked him why he joined. He said, "Someone has to do it."

I asked him about the news and what they are saying. He said, "The news media is a soldiers worst enemy."

I'll listen to what the soldiers have to say over the media any day.

There will be wars and rumors of wars......

Don't think we can avoid it.

A draft only brings in people who do not want to be there, that don't feel the cause. Voluntary is the only way to go.
This post is exactly on the mark. I have returning Marine friends that are saying the same thing, exactly.
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Old 08-12-2007, 08:51 AM
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I have a 19 year old son and some pretty entrenched opinions and emotional responses.

1. NO WAY should we be drafting young men for a prolonged war that many in the country don't want and that we are not prepared to win once and for all.

2. NO WAY should women be drafted for combat. They are a liability on the battlefield, physically and emotionally. Women's bodies were designed for bringing forth life not fighting wars. Their lack of upperbody strength and inability to throw a grenade far enough puts everybody at risk. Furthermore, Women's emotions enable nurturing but are not so great for combat.

The presence of women in these places also destroys the sanctity of the families back home. Good men stray under the strain of uncertainty and the daily proximity of women. It has been said that there is no such thing as an ugly woman on a ship over time.

And in fact; one out of 10 women are removed from ships and/or the battlefield due to pregnancy.

And for the record; one can advocate for the right of women to be treated the same as men where they are EQUIPPED to handle it; without sending them into combat to the detriment of ALL.

This is a hit and run post!

I agree with you...Sorry my opinion differs with most on war and politics...but just one of those things...
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Old 08-12-2007, 09:08 AM
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.::BUMP::.

This is my forth post and already I'm being ignored! I'm really off to a bad start here....

Anybody want to respond?
You're doing just fine...

Just because no one responded doens't take away from your contribution. Many posts are ignored and it has no reflection on the poster, so keep on posting.

By thy way, there wasn't any record of where Jesus endorsed/sanctioned the killing of another. As you already knew, Jesus promoted peace throughout His ministry.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:38 AM
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Considerations must reach far beyond the emotional considerations of your 19 year old son.
Brother Strange- If I had the time; this would be an interesting topic as far as women in the military.

However, it is unlikely that I will ever be able to put logic over emotion when it comes to my 19 year old son fighting in a teaser war. Estrogen and emotion rule.

Got to run!
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:45 AM
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I have a 19 year old son and some pretty entrenched opinions and emotional responses.

1. NO WAY should we be drafting young men for a prolonged war that many in the country don't want and that we are not prepared to win once and for all.

2. NO WAY should women be drafted for combat. They are a liability on the battlefield, physically and emotionally. Women's bodies were designed for bringing forth life not fighting wars. Their lack of upperbody strength and inability to throw a grenade far enough puts everybody at risk. Furthermore, Women's emotions enable nurturing but are not so great for combat.

The presence of women in these places also destroys the sanctity of the families back home. Good men stray under the strain of uncertainty and the daily proximity of women. It has been said that there is no such thing as an ugly woman on a ship over time.

And in fact; one out of 10 women are removed from ships and/or the battlefield due to pregnancy.

And for the record; one can advocate for the right of women to be treated the same as men where they are EQUIPPED to handle it; without sending them into combat to the detriment of ALL.

This is a hit and run post!
There is a 20 + young woman in my home state who is being sent home from Iraq as I write minus a foot because of a grenade.
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