A Personal Message to all of My Conservative Friends

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Rico

Any true ultracon would not be caught dead on the internet!

Push vs. Pull medium. Duh!

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

Times are changing and I will tell you why...

Forums such as this one and others where ideas are exchanged freely, and interaction is occurring, and information is given, is slowly decaying the ultra conservative view,

The relentless pursuit of compromise might also have something to do with it. How far into the jungle of compromise with the world can one wander without losing their way?

whose sole basis of existence to this point has been the ally of fear and lay-ignorance..

Untrue. The Holy Ghost leads individuals to personal convictions in their lifestyles. God has ordained shepherds to lead and guide His sheep. The Word of God for believers to obey also includes the anointed preached word of God - something that is practically nonexistent in such a forum.

that is no longer true. A Christian can now come online... search for answers.. exchange information with others who love Jesus, and find the truth...

Search for answers, exchange information - good, in moderation. Find the truth? If a Christian can't find truth with their Bible and their pastor and their established and trusted friends, what is the basis for expectation that truth will be found in the voice of anonymous strangers?

As this happens conservative dogma fails to stand in the light of sensible thought and logic...

So does liberal thought, environmentalism, and any of a number of other faith-based paradigms. There comes a point where logic and parsing must give way to faith and the Spirit. Apostolic "liberals" tend to parse and pick a little longer, since they usually are searching for biblical and social justification for their rejection of former Spirit-guided practices.

producing tantrums, outbursts and fear, such as you are witnessing!...

Nit pickers are frustrating to a broad spectrum of people. I don't have fear, because narrow is the path, and few are they that find it.

In this manner the information age is just that... providing info to the searching, beyond the grip of those that seek to oppress!

Oppression? Serving God and serving my Pastor has never been a burden to me. There were times I have questioned, and times I've been wronged and frustrated, but I prayed through.

[sola gratia]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Help me understand you...are you saying the information age is serving as a cure to the "Borg Mentality"? :sshhh

that is exactly what I mean to say. In times past information was so localized, an individuals only means of discovery was trying to find a local individual they could.
A) Trust
B) knowledgeable enough to open the scriptures

Lets face it this was not an easy task... All the commentaries at that time where big time dollars...

In this manner the "elevated" "ordained" pastors could pretty much say whatever they wanted in an unchallenged manner...

Today, anyone can join a forum, and with anonymity ask any question they want:
hair
make up
dresses
pants
baptism
godhead

and get a great deal of intelligent responses. They can look at any translation they want, read any commentary they want, Google a plethora of written essays and studies, on just about any subject they want...

This age of information, and its ease of accessibility is pressuring ultra cons. They no longer can rely on the unavailability of sound, and logical opinions to protect them... for they are ever available.

This is putting the crunch on ultra cons...

J-Roc, how many ultra cons have you seen show signs of change? Think about it... I can think of several, (without naming names) and those who would not... (Miller, Henderson...etc...) drifted away into silence and oblivion...

Change is on the horizon and sound information is the catalyst!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The above cannot be said of every conservative church. Therefore the above statement is agenda driven. Again the UC is portrayed as the cave dwelling Neanderthal.

I never said "cave dwelling Neanderthal" those are your words

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What is your idea of truth?

the Word of God... without the traditions of men.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So I guess that the holiness movements throughout history were just a bunch of dumb hill billies?

No, not all of them... Some great men, some not so great.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Charismatic liberals produce tantrums, outbursts. Hey, this is an equal opportunity forum.


Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Nice label... it always makes an ailing ultra con feel good when he can call someone "charismatic" - call away... will you can... I'll bid you a "adieu" as you sail of into the sunset...

[Michael The Disciple]

Two quick comments:

On the outward dress standards like no beards and no trimming for sisters I did not need others on the net to open my eyes to this error. Ever since starting to read scripture I never noticed that anywhere. So the net is not responsible for saints refusing an unscriptural yoke. Its the scriptures themselves.

Although the net is the ultimate in transmitting ideas. Perhaps it was/is the best hope for Jesus name people to come to really be an Apostolic Church.

Secondly as far as the banning of Daniel by Matt if it was over his thread with the questionable/push the edge title Im thinking of cheers for Matt! A few more titles allowed like that and I would be gone myself.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by josh

#5. Bored with the same old arguments and putdowns...and too tired at night to summons more than a "howdy CC1!" (at least for this uc)

Josh,

I think the second part of your post has hit a nail on the head that involves many of us from a lot of different viewpoints.

I know that I am partly to blame for the lack of lengthy substantive discussion on here but it is because I am either reading and posting in little snippets between computer work for my job (waiting on an email reply, etc) or it is night and I am so wiped out from the days events I don't the energy to give serious long, deep threads the attention and response they deserve.

So I to am left with little more than saying howdy or making a few hit and run posts trying to make a point and exercise my dry sense of humor without offending too much!

[Steve Epley]

Much ado about nothing.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Two quick comments:

On the outward dress standards like no beards and no trimming for sisters I did not need others on the net to open my eyes to this error. Ever since starting to read scripture I never noticed that anywhere. So the net is not responsible for saints refusing an scriptural yoke. Its the scriptures themselves.

Although the net is the ultimate in transmitting ideas. Perhaps it was/is the best hope for Jesus name people to come to really be an Apostolic Church.

Secondly as far as the banning of Daniel by Matt if it was over his thread with the questionable/push the edge title I'm thinking of cheers for Matt! A few more titles allowed like that and I would be gone myself.

I still do not understand exactly what Daniel did.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by COOPER

I still do not understand exactly what Daniel did.

Then you should leave it alone.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by sola gratia

that is exactly what I mean to say. In times past information was so localized, an individuals only means of discovery was trying to find a local individual they could.
A) Trust
B) knowledgeable enough to open the scriptures

Lets face it this was not an easy task... All the commentaries at that time where big time dollars...

In this manner the "elevated" "ordained" pastors could pretty much say whatever they wanted in an unchallenged manner...

Today, anyone can join a forum, and with anonymity ask any question they want:
hair
make up
dresses
pants
baptism
godhead

and get a great deal of intelligent responses. They can look at any translation they want, read any commentary they want, Google a plethora of written essays and studies, on just about any subject they want...

This age of information, and its ease of accessibility is pressuring ultra cons. They no longer can rely on the unavailability of sound, and logical opinions to protect them... for they are ever available.

This is putting the crunch on ultra cons...

J-Roc, how many ultra cons have you seen show signs of change? Think about it... I can think of several, (without naming names) and those who would not... (Miller, Henderson...etc...) drifted away into silence and oblivion...

Change is on the horizon and sound information is the catalyst!



I never said "cave dwelling Neanderthal" those are your words




the Word of God... without the traditions of men.



No, not all of them... Some great men, some not so great.





Nice label... it always makes an ailing ultra con feel good when he can call someone "charismatic" - call away... will you can... I'll bid you a "adieu" as you sail of into the sunset...

This is a very good observation...thanks for responding to my question! Looks like you're on to something and have identified certain things....

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I don't fall. I don't erode.

Your not an ultra con.