What's the difference?

[n david]

Originally Posted by berkeley

he was passing that off as his own opinion. Lol. Where else has he done that?

Not sure about the first two paragraphs, but the last paragraph was word for word from GotQuestions.org.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html

"""Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol.""""

[berkeley]

Can’t say that I’m surprised.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by n david

Not sure about the first two paragraphs, but the last paragraph was word for word from GotQuestions.org.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html

"""Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol.""""

Lol got him!!!
He was trying to"wax elephant" again, while copying and pasting...

[Aquila]

Thank you for catching that. I've been away from this thread for a few days.

The beginning of the post were my personal thoughts. The second part was from GotQuestions. I apologize for not posting the link.

But the fact remains, you can't refute the point.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html

"""Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol.""""

At the end of the day, having an alcoholic beverage in and of itself isn't a "sin". Having a glass of wine while cooking dinner isn't a "sin". Having a glass of Champaign on New Year's Eve isn't a "sin". Having a cold beer over grilled hamburgers and hotdogs on the 4th of July isn't a "sin". Having a glass of wine with the lights turned down low after a romantic dinner with one's spouse isn't a "sin".

However, drinking until drunken is a sin and is condemned repeatedly in Scripture.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The beginning of the post were my personal thoughts. The second part was from GotQuestions. I apologize for not posting the link.

It wasn't just the link which was missing. Quotation marks showing it as a quote were also missing.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But the fact remains, you can't refute the point.
[INDENT]https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html

I don't take what Got Questions posts on the subject since they fail to acknowledge that the word "oinos" was used to mean both fermented AND unfermented wine.

When a publication or person intentionally leaves out that kind of important information, it shows their bias and what narrative they're promoting.

So yes, I do refute what Got Questions claims.

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by n david

It wasn't just the link which was missing. Quotation marks showing it as a quote were also missing.


I don't take what Got Questions posts on the subject since they fail to acknowledge that the word "oinos" was used to mean both fermented AND unfermented wine.

When a publication or person intentionally leaves out that kind of important information, it shows their bias and what narrative they're promoting.

So yes, I do refute what Got Questions claims.

Well sir, you are wrong on this subject . Way too many references to the word "oinos". Ex. be not drunk with "oinos". I have found 5 without even trying.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

It wasn't just the link which was missing. Quotation marks showing it as a quote were also missing.


I don't take what Got Questions posts on the subject since they fail to acknowledge that the word "oinos" was used to mean both fermented AND unfermented wine.

When a publication or person intentionally leaves out that kind of important information, it shows their bias and what narrative they're promoting.

So yes, I do refute what Got Questions claims.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Why is he crazy Chris?

Why is he crazy and you are sane?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Thank you for catching that. I've been away from this thread for a few days.

The beginning of the post were my personal thoughts. The second part was from GotQuestions. I apologize for not posting the link.

But the fact remains, you can't refute the point.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine.html

"""Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol.""""

At the end of the day, having an alcoholic beverage in and of itself isn't a "sin". Having a glass of wine while cooking dinner isn't a "sin". Having a glass of Champaign on New Year's Eve isn't a "sin". Having a cold beer over grilled hamburgers and hotdogs on the 4th of July isn't a "sin". Having a glass of wine with the lights turned down low after a romantic dinner with one's spouse isn't a "sin".

However, drinking until drunken is a sin and is condemned repeatedly in Scripture.

Did Jesus drink beer? It was available, it was of Egyptian origin.

Did Jesus drink strong drink? It was available.

Jesus and the people drak a wine that by today standards would be considered pretty weak.

So, take some of your CBD gummy bears and eat some corn flakes.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Did Jesus drink beer? It was available, it was of Egyptian origin.

Did Jesus drink strong drink? It was available.

Jesus and the people drak a wine that by today standards would be considered pretty weak.

So, take some of your CBD gummy bears and eat some corn flakes.

My point is, watered down or not... it was wine. It contained alcohol. And it wasn't "sin" in and of itself. The "sin" was in allowing one's self to become drunken. So, one can drink wine watered down, or one can just limit themselves to one or two glasses of wine with dinner. Either way, effort is being taken not to become drunken. To say that the wine was a sin, in and of itself, merely because it had alcohol in it, is to essentially say that Jesus and others consumed watered down sin. This would mean that Jesus wasn't sinless. And that my friend, unravels the entire atonement.