Texas Tornado Over Pastor with TV

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I don't have a problem with spin when we are all debating, but this is not a debate. I loathe it when folks spin situations to protect their holy grails and golden calfs.

The idea that there was no intimidation is silly.

The presence of a HQ rep ... is enough to tell you .... what this is ...

[Nahum]

BTW, I feel the DS had every right to attempt to enforce the rule. I just think the timing is suspect considering the issues at hand this fall.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I don't have a problem with spin when we are all debating, but this is not a debate. I loathe it when folks spin situations to protect their holy grails and golden calfs.

The idea that there was no intimidation is silly.

Trust me, we KNOW about intimidation. It happens and it's not pretty.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Trust me, we KNOW about intimidation. It happens and it's not pretty.

The pastor was asking for it, okay? He knew the rule and had agreed to it. But to say that the DS didn't threaten to carry out his charge is foolish.

The whole idea of disaffiliating is to make sure no outside entity can take over.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

BTW, I feel the DS had every right to attempt to enforce the rule. I just think the timing is suspect considering the issues at hand this fall.

I've seen DS's and boards vacillate and sit on things MUCH WORSE for years ... ...

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The whole idea of disaffiliating is to make sure no outside entity can take over.

Especially if the plan is to turn your card in depending on how the vote goes this year.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I don't have a problem with spin when we are all debating, but this is not a debate. I loathe it when folks spin situations to protect their holy grails and golden calfs.

The idea that there was no intimidation is silly.

The man may well have felt intimidated. Who knows for sure?

Here is the thing. If the District did nothing they would be ridiculed for being weak. If they confront the man on a legitimate issue then they are being intimidating. It is a no win situation for the folks who haunt these Forums. One side sees it one way and the other sees it the other way.

Not one time did I say the man did not feel intimidated. That does not mean he was actually being intimidated. Ever felt that way when that was not the intent of someone else? I have.

I do not view it as pressure for the DS to confront the man on a guideline he was not abiding by. Are you aware that the GB did in fact empower the Districts to deal with these issues at last years MidWinter Board Meetings? That could well be why this is the first time it is being handled this way.

Sorry you saw my posts as spin. I was spinning nothing.

A) The man violated a guideline;
B) The District confronted him;
C) The man chose to allow his church to vote to disaffiliate;
E) Thus far the man is still licensed with the UPCI.


Kind of hard to spin that.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I've seen DS's and boards vacillate and sit on things MUCH WORSE for years ... ...

Agreed, but honestly, he was well within his rights. Some will applaud him for taking his position seriously.

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The pastor was asking for it, okay? He knew the rule and had agreed to it. But to say that the DS didn't threaten to carry out his charge is foolish.

The whole idea of disaffiliating is to make sure no outside entity can take over.

Again, this is in light of a GB action and decision a year ago.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

The pastor was asking for it, okay? He knew the rule and had agreed to it. But to say that the DS didn't threaten to carry out his charge is foolish.

The whole idea of disaffiliating is to make sure no outside entity can take over.

Agreed.