Should we teach others to rebel against Standards?

[1ofthechosen]

Deuteronomy 27:17 "Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say, Amen."

[Michael The Disciple]

Ok this taken literally would prove the anti beard,shave only Preachers are cursed. Dont remove the old landmarks?

Leviticus 19:27

You shall not round the corners of your heads neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard

This was the landmark SET BY JESUS CHRIST.Jesus is the one who gave the command in Lev. 19:27!

And YET.....todays modern Preachers will have nothing to do with it! Except to condemn it and preach that those who have a beard are rebellious!

To THEM its THEIR standard....throwing Christs standard under the bus! Shave off that unholy beard! Dont set foot on the holy platform until you get rid of that thing!

Dont tell us we need BIBLE to teach standards!

Hyperbole? May a tinge.

But did this Preacher not consider if he can preach from the OT about his neighbors landmark someone else can preach from it that if JESUS was God in the OT and he CONDEMNED shaving of beards?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok this taken literally would prove the anti beard,shave only Preachers are cursed. Dont remove the old landmarks?

Leviticus 19:27

You shall not round the corners of your heads neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard

This was the landmark SET BY JESUS CHRIST.Jesus is the one who gave the command in Lev. 19:27!

And YET.....todays modern Preachers will have nothing to do with it! Except to condemn it and preach that those who have a beard are rebellious!

To THEM its THEIR standard....throwing Christs standard under the bus! Shave off that unholy beard! Dont set foot on the holy platform until you get rid of that thing!

Dont tell us we need BIBLE to teach standards!

Hyperbole? May a tinge.

But did this Preacher not consider if he can preach from the OT about his neighbors landmark someone else can preach from it that if JESUS was God in the OT and he CONDEMNED shaving of beards?

Ok well here we are your using this OT Mosaic law scripture. First off, are you Jew or Gentile? I believe your Gentile, so with that being said let's go to Acts 15:1-31. So to highlight the parts we are talking about go to verse 5-6: "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. [6] And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter." Some call this council of Jerusalem.

What was the outcome? Go with me to verse 23-24: "And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: [24] Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment."
There you have it, we the Gentiles do not have to follow the law. Unless it's something God expressly says He hates, or it's and abomination, that never changes! For God never changes.

I found this quote from Martin Ballestero which said: "Did they have facial hair in the early days of Pentecostal outpouring in the 1900’s? Yes. Early Pentecostal pioneers such as Bro. Seymour and Bishop Haywood wore facial hair. We’ve seen the pictures.
However, in early Pentecost, especially in the white churches, there was a marked absence of beards. The beards seemed to disappear. Many Hispanic and black men feel that wearing a mustache is symbolic of masculinity. So automatically the cultural thing is throw down like an non-debatable subject. Of course that debate ignores the church’s culture. During the Hippy Generation of the 50’s and 60’s, beards sprouted on those who rebelled against society. It became their symbol. Many of that culture were draft dodgers and some even moved to Canada. A spirit of rebellion and non-conformity was connected to the beard wearing. New male converts for years have shown visible evidence of their conversion, by shaving off their facial hair when they got into an Apostolic church. The Pentecostal scene was one of clean-shaven men for over 50 years."

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Ok well here we are your using this OT Mosaic law scripture. First off, are you Jew or Gentile?

Well how funny that it is the same people like Martin Ballestero who fervently quote Deuteronomy 22:5, will you ask Martin if he is a Jew or a Gentile?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Well how funny that it is the same people like Martin Ballestero who fervently quote Deuteronomy 22:5, will you ask Martin if he is a Jew or a Gentile?

He says "It's an abomination unto Him (the Lord)". That's part of the moral law, whatever is a abomination, is a abomination to Him, Jew or Gentile. An abomination from the time of the law of Moses, until forever.
He's got a leg to stand on there, while everything in Deuteronomy 22 is Cannanite practices. And He said in Deuteronomy 12:29-30 "When the Lord thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land; [30] Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise."

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok this taken literally would prove the anti beard,shave only Preachers are cursed. Dont remove the old landmarks?

Leviticus 19:27

You shall not round the corners of your heads neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard

This was the landmark SET BY JESUS CHRIST.Jesus is the one who gave the command in Lev. 19:27!

And YET.....todays modern Preachers will have nothing to do with it! Except to condemn it and preach that those who have a beard are rebellious!

To THEM its THEIR standard....throwing Christs standard under the bus! Shave off that unholy beard! Dont set foot on the holy platform until you get rid of that thing!

Dont tell us we need BIBLE to teach standards!

Hyperbole? May a tinge.

But did this Preacher not consider if he can preach from the OT about his neighbors landmark someone else can preach from it that if JESUS was God in the OT and he CONDEMNED shaving of beards?

Mike, do you wear tassels on the four corners of your coat? Do you wear any foreign clothing? Do you wear clothing with mixed material?

You already said you trim your beard, so you're not following the law on that anyway.

So why are you claiming we should be following Lev 19 when you don't follow it yourself, nor do you follow any of the other laws regarding clothing?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

Mike, do you wear tassels on the four corners of your coat? Do you wear any foreign clothing? Do you wear clothing with mixed material?

You already said you trim your beard, so you're not following the law on that anyway.

So why are you claiming we should be following Lev 19 when you don't follow it yourself, nor do you follow any of the other laws regarding clothing?

I was trying to show the folly of the preaching video. Remove not your neighbors landmark. His message was straight from the OT. Get it? So if he is going to take his message straight from the OT about keeping another mans standards what about Jesus standards?

Was he not the God of Leviticus 19:27? Did HE not set THAT STANDARD?

I do not teach commandments from Moses law. Im just showing the double STANDARD that was in play in the message.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I was trying to show the folly of the preaching video. Remove not your neighbors landmark. His message was straight from the OT. Get it? So if he is going to take his message straight from the OT about keeping another mans standards what about Jesus standards?

Was he not the God of Leviticus 19:27? Did HE not set THAT STANDARD?

I do not teach commandments from Moses law. Im just showing the double STANDARD that was in play in the message.

What are you saying you can't preach from the OT? He just used that scripture because it has a lot to do with people in a liberal mind state. He's not telling you to follow the law, what you are trying to say with Leviticus 19:27 is follow a law. He was only using a principal from the Word of God. Using a principal is different, then looking for a reason to get around a standard that's set. I got a question do you go to a church, do you have a man of God? Are you a man under authority, do you have a problem with submitting?

[1ofthechosen]

No disrespect, but the beard has become your God. If you want to have a beard have one. Just you are going to have to find some leadership that preaches that way. I'm sure It can be done. I'm literally Laughing out loud, it seems like that's all that matters to some. It's like how women are with make up or something.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

No disrespect, but the beard has become your God. If you want to have a beard have one. Just you are going to have to find some leadership that preaches that way. I'm sure It can be done. I'm literally Laughing out loud, it seems like that's all that matters to some. It's like how women are with make up or something.

But what about the old landmark?

Who are the REBELS?