The Nonsense About How Xtians View Christ's Love.

JoReba · #1 10-31-2015, 12:11 PM

Calm down. I wrote "Xtian" because the space for Thread titles is limited.

Luke 14:23, "If a man loves me, he will keep my words, and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

It requires little searching within The Modern Evangelical Church to hear some statement to the effect, "Jesus Loves Us Unconditionally!" But, the facts of Scripture, right here in Luke 14:23 quoting Jesus' very own Words, show that Jesus' and the Father's love is entirely conditional upon whether or not we first obey Jesus' Words and come to Him.

Old Addled Apostle John must have not said it quite right in 1John 4:19 when he wrote that Jesus "first loved us." Who should you believe? Jesus' Words, or Addled John? Remember, Jesus never said "I Love You" to anyone, not to His Mom, His Siblings, the people He healed, and certainly not to The Pharisees and Saducees. Not The Woman at the Well, not to The Syrophoenician Dog Woman, not to Mary and Martha. Jesus did mention His previous acts of love for the Disciples, in John 13:34, but He never ran around babbling, "Oh! I just love you all so much!! My love is UNCONDITIONAL for you!!" Nope. Not one time.

So, the only resolution to this shocking news for you Special Little Christian Hearts is that God did indeed first love The World as John wrote in 3:16, but only in a generic and general manner. His love for any individual person is entirely conditional, as Jesus clearly stated in Luke 14:23. Try to pray and calm down before you compulsively start tossing out weak little ad hominems. Speak to the issue here like a Real Believer.

KeptByTheWord · #2 10-31-2015, 12:34 PM

Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

John 11:3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

John 11:5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.

John 11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!

John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

JOREBA - you are a liar! Your words have just been disproven by scripture. Take your blaspheming thoughts elsewhere.

JoReba · #3 10-31-2015, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

John 11:3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

John 11:5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.

John 11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!

John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

JOREBA - you are a liar! Your words have just been disproven by scripture. Take your blaspheming thoughts elsewhere.

Thank you for demonstrating my point. All of the references you gave about Jesus loving individuals were based on heresay. Jesus Himself never said to any individual, "I love you." Jesus' associates back then simply felt Jesus loved them, but knew nothing of His love.

Here is the proof, Precious Lover of Talk. Those people could not have known Jesus had love for them because during the time of those narratives Jesus had not yet died on The Cross and risen to appear. Learn how to think, rather than just babble what you hear in church.

I love you, but just a little bit. That is because nobody can love other Christians "As Jesus Loved The Disciples," as he commanded. You need to keep sharing with me your weak little religious sounding ideas so that I can keep helping you. And, the more I help you in here the more other "ministers" and "evangelists" in this Forum will be helped by reading how I so easily correct you. They are too weak to speak directly to me, because all "ministers" and "evangelists" are weak and out of touch.

God Bless you. Keep learning and leaning on Jesus, and keep your humble mind as fresh as a little child. You do think and speak as a little child, just as Jesus wants you to.

Evang.Benincasa · #4 10-31-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JoReba

Thank you for demonstrating my point. All of the references you gave about Jesus loving individuals were based on heresay. Jesus Himself never said to any individual, "I love you." Jesus' associates back then simply felt Jesus loved them, but knew nothing of His love.

mfblume · #5 10-31-2015, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JoReba

Luke 14:23, "If a man loves me, he will keep my words, and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

It requires little searching within The Modern Evangelical Church to hear some statement to the effect, "Jesus Loves Us Unconditionally!" But, the facts of Scripture, right here in Luke 14:23 quoting Jesus' very own Words, show that Jesus' and the Father's love is entirely conditional upon whether or not we first obey Jesus' Words and come to Him.

Liar.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

While we were sinners means before we come to Him and before we obey Him.

JoReba · #6 10-31-2015, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Liar.

Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

While we were sinners means before we come to Him and before we obey Him.

Don't forget, now. Jesus never spoke of the foolish "grace" Saul wrote so much about. IF Saul could not correctly preach about Grace, as you as well try to do, then certainly Saul could not understand God's Love. Certainly Saul did not understand God's Love, because he wanted all the World to know he was "the greatest of sinners," and thereby never accepted God's Forgiveness.

Saul produced your personal faith and ministry, and your need for pizza. Jesus did not produce your faith. You sing about Jesus, but you preach Saul. Don't you? Be honest now. You just quoted Saul above, instead of Jesus. You proved my previous assessment of you.

Lol.