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Old 04-14-2014, 09:16 AM
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Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

Post any scripture, why you believe, Jesus the man, is God.
And why you believe, that scripture means to you that
Jesus the man is God.
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Old 04-14-2014, 09:59 AM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

And the Word (which was God) was MADE FLESH. See John 1
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Old 04-14-2014, 10:08 AM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

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In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

And the Word (which was God) was MADE FLESH. See John 1
Why do you think that the author of this verse did not write it this way?

In the beginning was Jesus the Word and
Jesus the Word was with God and Jesus the Word was God.
And Jesus the Word (which was God) was MADE FLESH.

Please if you will, answer this question,
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Old 04-14-2014, 10:13 AM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

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Why do you think that the author of this verse did not write it this way?

In the beginning was Jesus the Word and
Jesus the Word was with God and Jesus the Word was God.
And Jesus the Word (which was God) was MADE FLESH.

Please if you will, answer this question,
to the best you can?
because it was already apparent that the Word (which was God) was made flesh. There is no other reason to put it into any other way. Pretty simple really.
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Old 04-14-2014, 10:19 AM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

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because it was already apparent that the Word (which was God) was made flesh. There is no other reason to put it into any other way. Pretty simple really.
Then why was the author writing about it?
Being it was apparent as you have said?
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Old 04-14-2014, 10:56 AM
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Then why was the author writing about it?
Being it was apparent as you have said?
The Author (John) wrote about it so that you could understand. I wouldn't worry too much about it because there are millions who do not understand that Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. I myself have a hard time understanding why people just don't get it.

As far as why John didn't come out and say that Jesus the word was made flesh is redundant. All you need to understand is that the Word (which was God) was MADE FLESH.

Do you believe that Christ (the man) as you put it is the saviour? If so, then how do you view Isaiah 43:11 (I, even, I am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.) If you believe this from Isaiah, then the man Jesus could not have been the saviour unless He was God manifested in the flesh. I hope this helps a little bit.
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Old 04-14-2014, 10:56 AM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

It is assumed that the author of this is the apostle John.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. And the Word (which was God) was MADE FLESH.

The apostle John was with Jesus.
He would have wrote this after he was with Jesus.
Why did he not write it this way?

In the beginning was Jesus and Jesus was with God and the Jesus was God.
And Jesus (which was God) was MADE FLESH.
Or
In the beginning was Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ was with God and Jesus the Christ was God. And Jesus Christ (which was God) was MADE FLESH.

The point being, there is lots of room for error in your theory.
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:41 PM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

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Why do you think that the author of this verse did not write it this way?

In the beginning was Jesus the Word and
Jesus the Word was with God and Jesus the Word was God.
And Jesus the Word (which was God) was MADE FLESH.

Please if you will, answer this question,
to the best you can?
Because before being flesh and named Jesus, He was the Word according to John.

Also I presume John expected his audience to have some intelligence and cognitive ability to read
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:45 PM
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Re: Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

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Because before being flesh and named Jesus, He was the Word according to John.
This is incorrect.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:48 PM
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This is incorrect.
Here, for the third time/

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.


Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Joh 1:15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'")
Joh 1:16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
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